For me the hands down winner is being able to take a PHP or Javascript developer and show them Groovy and have them programming in it after 1-2 days; having them no longer 'scared of Java' and having confidence that they can program in it and finding it FUN... well, that for me just lights me up every time. :)
Owen Rubel 415-971-0976 oru...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Keith Suderman <suder...@anc.org> wrote: > > On Oct 9, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Owen Rubel <oru...@gmail.com> wrote: > > no that wasnt it... it was in 2005 on his now defunct blog. > > > I think that is just a reposting of the original article to his new blog. > At least it contains the "famous quote". > > However, when people mention the quote to me I respond with, "Thank > goodness he hadn't know about Scala." Scala may be a great language, but > for me what makes Groovy the hands down winner is syntax; being able to > rename a .java file to .groovy and have it be 99% correct (often 100%) is a > huge benefit. Of course Java and Groovy syntax have started to diverge, > but I always get the feeling that in some places Scala changes the syntax > just to be contrary. > > Keith > > > But yes. Seeing it now through different eyes, I feel for him but I also > feel for the group for having to make rough decisions. > > It's never easy for people to have to do those things and its never easy > for someone to let go of something they created. > > Perhaps James saying 'Groovy is crap' helps him to let go of it > psychologically... which is a great way to help him heal and I'm sure he is > past that alot by now. > > We all have hurt and we just have to rise above it and be introspective > and look inside ourselves and try to see what we can learn and derive from > it. In reading that conversation, I learned alot about what happened and I > guess about myself too. It was very eye opening in how mature every one > was... made me feel like I had alot to learn. > > I just thought it a nice restrospect on the leadership and how they > weathered hard times together... not a pointing of a finger at an > individual who reacted in a moment of weakness. Otherwise I would spend > most of the time pointing at myself. > > > Owen Rubel > 415-971-0976 > oru...@gmail.com > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Jochen Theodorou <blackd...@gmx.org> > wrote: > >> Am 09.10.2015 um 19:30 schrieb Owen Rubel: >> >>> I write a few articles about Groovy and every now and then I have a >>> Scala fanatic through the James Strachan quote in my face. You know the >>> one? The one where he is quoted on a Scala blog saying how if he had >>> known about Scala when he was writing Groovy, he would have never >>> created it'?? >>> >> >> The funny thing is, they never ask why he would have not created Groovy >> if he had known Groovy. It's because making a language is hard work, and it >> is much better to lean back and let others do the job. >> >> And I am not only talking about coding work. You have to fight language >> trolls all the time. People that say programming language is rubbish >> because of one small feature... Like some say C is bad, because it evals an >> int 0 to the boolean false. >> >> I always feel that James is the type that likes to test things out and go >> from one new thing to the next. Someone that likes challenges. But that >> type also often has a problem finishing things. A programming language >> takes years to develop. That's normally too long for that type. Other new >> cool things pop up and take attention. Also having a small team develop a >> language is quite the time consuming job. And a lot of that is not >> programming, but discussion. That's also not for that type. I very well >> remember that first time I attended a Groovy developers meeting.... that >> have been heated discussions back then. Today this works entirely different. >> >> To me it is no wonder James left after he did see things can go on >> without him. >> >> I always like to say to people that he wasn't that involved with the >>> project and he left early on... but I always wanted to know what >>> happened. And the truth would make you so proud of your current leaders >>> that I had to share. >>> >> >> He did a lot of work for early Groovy - so you can't say he wasn't that >> involved. He was one of the driving forces of early Groovy times. But that >> was, about 1-2 years? And we are talking here about 11 years in total and I >> think 2 years before Groovy 1.0 >> >> Apparently as the team was pushing to hit their 1.0 launch, James was >>> dragging his feet and there was some pushback (at least from what I can >>> tell). >>> >>> This all came to a head when James published an article on his blog >>> entitled 'Groovy is Dead' (article not available - if someone has this, >>> I would LOVE to read). >>> >> >> Here you are: >> http://macstrac.blogspot.de/2009/04/scala-as-long-term-replacement-for.html >> >> >> [...] >> >> bye blackdrag >> >> -- >> Jochen "blackdrag" Theodorou >> blog: http://blackdragsview.blogspot.com/ >> >> > > ------------------------------ > Research Associate > Department of Computer Science > Vassar College > Poughkeepsie, NY > > >