Another thing about James: he played with Scala for about a year then (when he made that quote), even rewrote a version of ActiveMQ in Scala (which got ditched because it Scala didn't perform well for that use case), then he contributed to Kotlin for a year or so, then moved back to Java! And nowadays, he's doing again quite a bit of Groovy for Continous Delivery with Jenkins Flow! (which is a Groovy DSL)
Check out those two tweets from James: https://twitter.com/jstrachan/status/596607518002049025 https://twitter.com/jstrachan/status/606831442425999360 Guillaume On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 8:55 PM, Guillaume Laforge <glafo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On the infamous quote, I've also replied to a Quora question there: > https://www.quora.com/Is-Groovy-going-away > > Basically, I often try to make parallels. > For instance, if JPA had existed 10 years before, would someone like Gavin > King had created Hibernate? Likely not. > So if language X had offered the same level of productivity as Groovy on > the JVM, when Groovy was created, the itch to scratch to create something > like that wouldn't have been there. > > Anyhow, leaders, committers, advocates come and go. > > James worked a couple of years on Groovy, or three, and then moved on to > create ActiveMQ, then later on ServiceMix, etc. > James is a very creative person, and moves his attentions to newer > projects. > Other folks like to finish things through, and spend time to achieve their > goals for the project. > An OSS project needs different kind of persons, I think. > > I'll always be grateful to James for giving me the chance to work on such > a wonderful and lovely project. > It was the beginning of my career when I started on Groovy, and I had the > change to learn a lot from working with him. > > > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 7:30 PM, Owen Rubel <oru...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I write a few articles about Groovy and every now and then I have a Scala >> fanatic through the James Strachan quote in my face. You know the one? The >> one where he is quoted on a Scala blog saying how if he had known about >> Scala when he was writing Groovy, he would have never created it'?? >> >> I always like to say to people that he wasn't that involved with the >> project and he left early on... but I always wanted to know what happened. >> And the truth would make you so proud of your current leaders that I had to >> share. >> >> Apparently as the team was pushing to hit their 1.0 launch, James was >> dragging his feet and there was some pushback (at least from what I can >> tell). >> >> This all came to a head when James published an article on his blog >> entitled 'Groovy is Dead' (article not available - if someone has this, I >> would LOVE to read). >> >> The community response? Calm, cool, collected. Some even considered the >> response as positive feedback for the project. Others defended him and said >> that it was unfair to ask him to leave the project. All in all, I was >> amazed to see the level of cool heads to the kind of attack that was >> leveled at a project that was still 'alpha'. >> >> http://blog.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.groovy.jsr/month=20050101 >> >> As we all know, Guillaume took over the project and has been a stellar >> leader since then. This was his initial post on the matter showing his >> leadership skills even back then... >> >> http://glaforge.appspot.com/article/groovy-s-dead-long-live-groovy >> >> Why do I bring this up? Two reason... to understand the day to day of >> what our leaders go through and to understand that we ALL have the ability >> to be 'James' >> >> I realize myself in reading that that there are people who want me to do >> well, that want me to succeed in spite of myself. There will always be >> those who will be naysayers out there but for the few who believe you have >> something, do it for them... rise to the occassion. >> >> If you can stay afloat, tomorrow may bring 2.0 of your life! >> >> So with that... the next time someone tells you that quote oj James >> Strachan know two things: James was probably still upset and Scala appeals >> to a different group of people. >> >> Also remember how our current leaders didn't falter and rose to the >> occasion. And let that smile comes to mind whenever those Scala guys try to >> bring you down. :) >> >> >> Owen Rubel >> 415-971-0976 >> oru...@gmail.com >> >> >> > > > -- > Guillaume Laforge > Apache Groovy committer & PMC member > Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com> > > Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/ > Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+ > <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts> > -- Guillaume Laforge Apache Groovy committer & PMC member Product Ninja & Advocate at Restlet <http://restlet.com> Blog: http://glaforge.appspot.com/ Social: @glaforge <http://twitter.com/glaforge> / Google+ <https://plus.google.com/u/0/114130972232398734985/posts>
