Daniele Nicolucci (Jollino) wrote:

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> Sabato, luglio 27, 2002, alle 04:53 , Mark Liu ha scritto:
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> > Yes, this is also a good idea.
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> 
> I think that the real problem is "when will we able to really 
> use ipv6?".
> Many OSes support IPv6, but the probably most used OS in a desktop 
> environment does not. I'm talking about MS-Windows 98 (and 
> possibly 95 
> too).

http://www.trumpet.com.au/winsock/winsoc5.html

Trumpet Winsock v5.0 is a fully-featured 32-bit dialler used with
Windows 95/98 and Windows NT and comrising of IPv6 capabilities. 

Next question ;)

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> if MS shipped an official patch for Windows 98 to allow a decent ipv6 
> support, with automatic 6to4 and everything, we would see many sites 
> adding ipv6 connectivity and maybe switching completely to ipv6. But 
> this will happen in a long time, when most "home users" will have 
> Windows XP happily installed and won't even know about this 
> strange ipv6 thing.
There isn't a _production_ stack for NT/2000/XP either from MS...
The .Net stack _will_ be production quality, even though the others
(including Trumpet's) work just fine...

> Look at it from the provider's point of view. I represent a company,
and 
> I want as much visibility on the net as possible. Since most of my 
> target is using a non-ipv6-compatible operating system, I 
> -must- provide 
> my service on ipv4 connectivity, and -possibly- on ipv6 too. But why 
> bother, then? Would my services have more visibility for home 
> users if I allowed them to reach my services via ipv6? No, not really,

> since most of them don't even know why a dvd holds much more data than
a 
> cd.
Chicken and egg problem, big corporations/organisations/universities
didn't want to
come of their IPX/SAP/DECNET etc protocols either... it's just a matter
of time.

> I am 
> service provider, and I'm not into experiments, so I won't use ipv6.
That's your choice ;)
Nobody is forcing you.

> And therefore, since most of the services are reachable only by ipv4 
> connectivity, new "productivity" (i.e. non "experimental") services 
> won't come out with ipv6 connectivity. And if they were, like the 
> gnutella thing, very few people would use it, since under w98 
> wouldn't allow it, and this would turn out into a negative spyral.
Trumpet is ringing.... and they have been for over a couple of years
now.

> Now, I'm not a programmer; or at least, I wouldn't be able to 
> help about this. So I'm asking this mailing list: is it really so
difficult to 
> implement an ipv6 stack for windows 98 which works on every machine, 
> even if it hasn't got a network interface card? This would be a nice 
> challenge for the open-source world, and the benefits would 
> be enormous, allowing the 6bone to become a full and real "6internet".
If maybe you did actually even used it once you would know that there is
no '6internet'
There is simply _1_ internet that's why it's called an internet.

Greets,
 Jeroen

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