Daniele Nicolucci (Jollino) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:

> Sabato, luglio 27, 2002, alle 10:49 , Jeroen Massar ha scritto:
> 
> > http://www.trumpet.com.au/winsock/winsoc5.html
> >
> > Trumpet Winsock v5.0 is a fully-featured 32-bit dialler used with
> > Windows 95/98 and Windows NT and comrising of IPv6 capabilities.
> That is not free though. :) At this point, one would buy 
And what's the problem with that?

Windows 95 == ~1995
Windows 98 == ~1998

It's 2002, this is computers, stuff gets renewed.
And as these are commercial applications/OS's one needs to pay.
Otherwise port over the KAME stack at your own pleasure.

Other one: http://www.hitachi.co.jp/Prod/comp/network/pexv6-e.htm

> Windows XP and get a new set of bugs at the same price =)


> >> I am
> >> service provider, and I'm not into experiments, so I won't  use
ipv6.
> > That's your choice ;)
> > Nobody is forcing you.
> I was just transcribing the possible way of thought of a service 
> provider. A simple service provider won't bother with v6 
> connectivity if it won't be useful to catch potential customers, and
in this 
> way the use of the ipng technology gets delayed even more.
Chicken and egg.

"No software" and "No connetivity"

Software is being addressed, we just have to nag everyone a bit.
At least for MS OS's Microsoft is going to support it's most crucial
apps for .Net to have IPv6 support.
I personally would love to see Netmeeting with IPv6 support <hint>

Connectivity is being addressed by the ISP's check:
http://www.ripe.net/ipv6/ipv6allocs.html Total Allocated for the 3 RIRs:
178
15 Allocations this month in only the RIPE region, it _will_ catch on...
In Japan/APNIC region you simply call up your ISP and say "I want IPv6
connectivity" and you get it ;)

It will come, one can hop on the train now, or miss the train.

> >> And therefore, since most of the services are reachable only by
ipv4
> >> connectivity, new "productivity" (i.e. non "experimental") services
> >> won't come out with ipv6 connectivity. And if they were, like the
> >> gnutella thing, very few people would use it, since under w98
> >> wouldn't allow it, and this would turn out into a negative spyral.
> > Trumpet is ringing.... and they have been for over a couple of years
> > now.
> That is not freeware, as I already pointed out. :)
Windows XXX isn't freeware either, where is your problem?
Also Microsoft doesn't want one to run 9x simply because they don't want
to
keep supporting stuff from almost 7 years ago. In computer terms that's
another century.

For further questions and explainations you should ask it the microsoft
people:
http://www.research.microsoft.com/msripv6/

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> >> allowing the 6bone to become a full and real "6internet".
> > If maybe you did actually even used it once you would know that
there is
> > no '6internet'
> > There is simply _1_ internet that's why it's called an internet.
> It was just a way to identify it as "the internet after the Big Switch
to ipv6". :)

There will be no "big switch". It will all evolve.
The current "time schedule" can be found at:

http://isoc.nl/activ/cursusmateriaal/2002-Masterclass-IETF-IPv6.ppt
http://isoc.nl/activ/cursusmateriaal/2002-Masterclass-IETF-IPv6.sxi

At least this is the forecast ;)

For the rest you should prolly check http://www.hs247.com/

Greets,
 Jeroen

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