I thought I put down here some more meanings of Alma in addition to
those already mentioned, in order to allow for hypothetical voices of
international users not in the loop.
Hebrew: young woman,
Italian: fruitful,
Hungarian: apple,
Arab: on the water,
in the antiquity: deity of/for fertility, sex, pregnancy, childbirth
(therefore 'alma mater')
Turkish: unity of volume
animal family of segmented worms (Latin: Almidae), home in Ethiopia
legendary man-beast in the world east of Moskow, west of Ulan Bator and
north of Theran (similar to: Yeti, Bigfoot, Skunk Ape) [1]
Patrick
[1]
A russian imperial geographer described the alma as:
"We were told that it had a flat face like that of a human being, and
that it often walked on two legs, that its body was covered with a thick
black fur, and its feet armed with enormous claws; that its strength was
terrible, and that not only were hunters afraid of attacking it, but
that the inhabitants removed their habitations from those parts of the
country which it visited"
Am 09.06.2022 um 20:06 schrieb Dan Haywood:
Hi folks,
The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days
more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two.
Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence on
trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun
sort of things.
For now, though here's the current state of play:
1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*,
Brian K, Fernando, Martin H,
2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W
3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv
* = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear
as many voices as possible.
And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as
names:
Alma +ve
" catchy"
* "write what you hear, very short"
* "alma in portuguese means soul"
Alma -ve
* AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL)
* 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway)
* "common word ending up in conflict"
* "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK to
commemorate the battle of Alma"
* "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't
really transport a single idea.
Causeway +ve
* "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere"
* A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between
business and techies]"
* "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to
spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like
the hexagonal connection too."
Causeway -ve
* "hard to write for non-native speakers"
* "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches"
* "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs"
Thx
Dan
[1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
Please do.
R
On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote:
Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on Slack
... ?
On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote:
Hi All
When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years
ago,
we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version
(ported to
.NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name.
That
name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few eyebrows.
Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something
descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from,
the
task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and
terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in
towns
next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also had
that goddess connection.
After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately
associations
matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local
friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that
many
companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their
company names over the recent years.
To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is
wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had
put
everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf
and
the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We
started
with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have the
important part.
To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets
my
vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so:
1)
Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro.
Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time!
Best regards
Robert
On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk>
wrote:
Hi folks,
We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for
example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the
process
There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking
informally/offline
with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners.
So the
vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for
something
else.
So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following:
1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma*
2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway*
3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro*
4 *don't change *the framework's name
5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them,
give me
some *other choices*!
Background on the first three choices:
*Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round
pole)
within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the
soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma
mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with
technology,
or acting as the heart of the business.
*Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a
geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The
metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons
also
are
reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD.
*Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart,
mind,
body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese
words.
In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from
the
name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original
authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of
course
was an Egyptian goddess [5].
For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make
sense
to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well,
we'll
go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that
no-one
is
happy with.
Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one
open
longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the
thread.
Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be
good to
hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can.
Thanks
Dan (co-drafted with Johan).
[1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303
[2]
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg
[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg
[4]
https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/
[5]
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt
.
