Hi Patrick perhaps you could cross post this also to slack where more users tend to hang out?
Thx Dan On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 08:37, Patrick Pliessnig <p.pliess...@gmail.com> wrote: > I thought I put down here some more meanings of Alma in addition to > those already mentioned, in order to allow for hypothetical voices of > international users not in the loop. > > Hebrew: young woman, > Italian: fruitful, > Hungarian: apple, > Arab: on the water, > in the antiquity: deity of/for fertility, sex, pregnancy, childbirth > (therefore 'alma mater') > Turkish: unity of volume > animal family of segmented worms (Latin: Almidae), home in Ethiopia > legendary man-beast in the world east of Moskow, west of Ulan Bator and > north of Theran (similar to: Yeti, Bigfoot, Skunk Ape) [1] > > Patrick > > [1] > A russian imperial geographer described the alma as: > "We were told that it had a flat face like that of a human being, and > that it often walked on two legs, that its body was covered with a thick > black fur, and its feet armed with enormous claws; that its strength was > terrible, and that not only were hunters afraid of attacking it, but > that the inhabitants removed their habitations from those parts of the > country which it visited" > > > Am 09.06.2022 um 20:06 schrieb Dan Haywood: > > Hi folks, > > > > The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few days > > more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two. > > > > Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due diligence > on > > trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those fun > > sort of things. > > > > For now, though here's the current state of play: > > > > 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*, > > Brian K, Fernando, Martin H, > > 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W > > 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv > > > > * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to hear > > as many voices as possible. > > > > And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway as > > names: > > > > Alma +ve > > " catchy" > > * "write what you hear, very short" > > * "alma in portuguese means soul" > > > > Alma -ve > > * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL) > > * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway) > > * "common word ending up in conflict" > > * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the UK > to > > commemorate the battle of Alma" > > * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it doesn't > > really transport a single idea. > > > > Causeway +ve > > * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere" > > * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between > > business and techies]" > > * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to > > spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I like > > the hexagonal connection too." > > > > Causeway -ve > > * "hard to write for non-native speakers" > > * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches" > > * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs" > > > > > > Thx > > Dan > > > > [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/ > > > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote: > > > >> Please do. > >> > >> R > >> > >>> On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on > Slack > >>> ... ? > >>> > >>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi All > >>>> When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years > >> ago, > >>>> we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version > >> (ported to > >>>> .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name. > >> That > >>>> name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few > eyebrows. > >>>> Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something > >>>> descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it from, > >> the > >>>> task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique and > >>>> terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in > >> towns > >>>> next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also > had > >>>> that goddess connection. > >>>> After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately > >> associations > >>>> matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local > >>>> friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that > >> many > >>>> companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their > >>>> company names over the recent years. > >>>> To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is > >>>> wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he had > >> put > >>>> everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his Golf > >> and > >>>> the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We > >> started > >>>> with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have > the > >>>> important part. > >>>> To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This gets > >> my > >>>> vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, so: > >> 1) > >>>> Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro. > >>>> Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time! > >>>> Best regards > >>>> Robert > >>>>> On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> > >> wrote: > >>>>> Hi folks, > >>>>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see for > >>>>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the > >> process > >>>>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking > >> informally/offline > >>>>> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. > >> So the > >>>>> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for > >>>> something > >>>>> else. > >>>>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following: > >>>>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* > >>>>> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway* > >>>>> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro* > >>>>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name > >>>>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, > >> give me > >>>>> some *other choices*! > >>>>> Background on the first three choices: > >>>>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round > >> pole) > >>>>> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the > >>>>> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think "alma > >>>>> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with > >>>> technology, > >>>>> or acting as the heart of the business. > >>>>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a > >>>>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. The > >>>>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons > >> also > >>>> are > >>>>> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD. > >>>>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, > >> mind, > >>>>> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese > >>>> words. > >>>>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from > >> the > >>>>> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original > >>>>> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of > >> course > >>>>> was an Egyptian goddess [5]. > >>>>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might make > >>>> sense > >>>>> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, > >> we'll > >>>>> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that > >> no-one > >>>> is > >>>>> happy with. > >>>>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this one > >> open > >>>>> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the > >> thread. > >>>>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be > >> good to > >>>>> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can. > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan). > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303 > >>>>> [2] > >> > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg > >>>>> [3] > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg > >>>>> [4] > >> > https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/ > >>>>> [5] > >> > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt > >>>>> . > >
