The many faces of Alma... Let me change my non-binding vote to Causeway. If I was browsing apache projects from the list, I might look at Alma because it would be near the top of their alphabetical list, but I would look at Causeway because it sounds like it would get me somewhere. It would be easy to introduce it to a project team: "We'll build this on Apache Causeway"
-Brian On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 11:42 PM Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> wrote: > Hi Patrick > perhaps you could cross post this also to slack where more users tend to > hang out? > > Thx > Dan > > On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 08:37, Patrick Pliessnig <p.pliess...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I thought I put down here some more meanings of Alma in addition to > > those already mentioned, in order to allow for hypothetical voices of > > international users not in the loop. > > > > Hebrew: young woman, > > Italian: fruitful, > > Hungarian: apple, > > Arab: on the water, > > in the antiquity: deity of/for fertility, sex, pregnancy, childbirth > > (therefore 'alma mater') > > Turkish: unity of volume > > animal family of segmented worms (Latin: Almidae), home in Ethiopia > > legendary man-beast in the world east of Moskow, west of Ulan Bator and > > north of Theran (similar to: Yeti, Bigfoot, Skunk Ape) [1] > > > > Patrick > > > > [1] > > A russian imperial geographer described the alma as: > > "We were told that it had a flat face like that of a human being, and > > that it often walked on two legs, that its body was covered with a thick > > black fur, and its feet armed with enormous claws; that its strength was > > terrible, and that not only were hunters afraid of attacking it, but > > that the inhabitants removed their habitations from those parts of the > > country which it visited" > > > > > > Am 09.06.2022 um 20:06 schrieb Dan Haywood: > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > The vote has now been open for 14 days, but I'll keep it going a few > days > > > more as we had quite a few votes over the last day or two. > > > > > > Once I do close the vote, then will need to do some deeper due > diligence > > on > > > trademarks etc. We'll also kick off a logo competition and all those > fun > > > sort of things. > > > > > > For now, though here's the current state of play: > > > > > > 1. *Alma *: Johan*, Oscar*, Struberg*, Kevin*, Bilgin*, Alexander*, > > > Brian K, Fernando, Martin H, > > > 2. *Causeway*: Andy*, Dan*, Joerg*, Rob*, Patrick, Martin W > > > 3. *Kokoro *: Dhruv > > > > > > * = committer/PMC member. Only these formally count, but we want to > hear > > > as many voices as possible. > > > > > > And here are remarks, positive and negative, for Alma and for Causeway > as > > > names: > > > > > > Alma +ve > > > " catchy" > > > * "write what you hear, very short" > > > * "alma in portuguese means soul" > > > > > > Alma -ve > > > * AlmaLinux is a new Linux distribution (merge of CentOS and RHEL) > > > * 4918 hits in Global Brand DB [1] Search Results (vs 109 for Causeway) > > > * "common word ending up in conflict" > > > * "Alma does have a little baggage though... quite a few roads in the > UK > > to > > > commemorate the battle of Alma" > > > * "Alma" means different things to different people. As such it > doesn't > > > really transport a single idea. > > > > > > Causeway +ve > > > * "sounds intentional, will take you somewhere" > > > * A "Causeway" has a lot of marketing value [to bridge the gap between > > > business and techies]" > > > * "easy to say with and without Apache first. Well known word, easy to > > > spell. No weird or unfortunate connotation in Urban Dictionary. I > like > > > the hexagonal connection too." > > > > > > Causeway -ve > > > * "hard to write for non-native speakers" > > > * "prefer non-english word to stand out in searches" > > > * "potentially difficult to pronounce in non-english langs" > > > > > > > > > Thx > > > Dan > > > > > > [1] https://branddb.wipo.int/branddb/en/ > > > > > > On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:21, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote: > > > > > >> Please do. > > >> > > >> R > > >> > > >>> On 09/06/2022 17:11 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> Thanks for this, Rob. Do you mind if I cross-post to the thread on > > Slack > > >>> ... ? > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, 9 Jun 2022 at 17:08, - - <rmatth...@nakedobjects.org> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Hi All > > >>>> When we donated the Naked Objects project to Apache, all those years > > >> ago, > > >>>> we had to change its name. This was because a commercial version > > >> (ported to > > >>>> .NET) was the focus of the business and it used that original name. > > >> That > > >>>> name described the framework so well, even if it raised a few > > eyebrows. > > >>>> Dan and I discussed new names at length, looking for something > > >>>> descriptive, pithy and memorable. Given what we were changing it > from, > > >> the > > >>>> task was rather hard. What we settled on gave us something unique > and > > >>>> terse, using something that was common to us three--we all lived in > > >> towns > > >>>> next to this river (more commonly known as the Thames)--and it also > > had > > >>>> that goddess connection. > > >>>> After a while that choice started to look poor. Unfortunately > > >> associations > > >>>> matter and I have no doubt there has been an effect to this. A local > > >>>> friend, who invests in businesses in the area, commented to me that > > >> many > > >>>> companies in the area (particularly Oxford) have had to change their > > >>>> company names over the recent years. > > >>>> To me, this is reminiscent of an old VW Golf advert, where a guy is > > >>>> wandering back from the casino and the voice over explains that he > had > > >> put > > >>>> everything on black and it had come up red. He then gets into his > Golf > > >> and > > >>>> the implication is that he still has the most important thing. We > > >> started > > >>>> with a great framework and picked the wrong name. Yet we still have > > the > > >>>> important part. > > >>>> To me Causeway sound intentional, it'll take you somewhere. This > gets > > >> my > > >>>> vote. The others are fine, but I would put the simpler one first, > so: > > >> 1) > > >>>> Causeway; 2) Alma; 3) Kokoro. > > >>>> Hey, but don't listen to me. Look what happened last time! > > >>>> Best regards > > >>>> Robert > > >>>>> On 24/05/2022 09:46 Dan Haywood <d...@haywood-associates.co.uk> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>> Hi folks, > > >>>>> We've talked a lot about changing the name of the framework, see > for > > >>>>> example ISIS-1303 [1]. So this thread, is, finally, to start the > > >> process > > >>>>> There have been an awful lot of suggestions; talking > > >> informally/offline > > >>>>> with the other committers, we think there are a few front-runners. > > >> So the > > >>>>> vote below lists these, but if none appeal then you can vote for > > >>>> something > > >>>>> else. > > >>>>> So, please cast vote your vote for one of the following: > > >>>>> 1. change the framework's name to Apache *Alma* > > >>>>> 2. change the framework's name to Apache *Causeway* > > >>>>> 3. change the framework's name to Apache *Kokoro* > > >>>>> 4 *don't change *the framework's name > > >>>>> 5. do change the framework's name, but I don't like any of them, > > >> give me > > >>>>> some *other choices*! > > >>>>> Background on the first three choices: > > >>>>> *Alma* - technically speaking, is a piece of wood (a little round > > >> pole) > > >>>>> within a stringed instrument such as a violin [2], connecting the > > >>>>> soundboards etc. What it means though "heart" or "soul" -think > "alma > > >>>>> mater", so the metaphor is that we are connecting business with > > >>>> technology, > > >>>>> or acting as the heart of the business. > > >>>>> *Causeway* - taken from the Giant's Causeway in Northern Ireland, a > > >>>>> geological feature characterised by hexagonal basalt columns [3]. > The > > >>>>> metaphor here is again "causeway" meaning bridge, but the hexagons > > >> also > > >>>> are > > >>>>> reminiscent of the hexagonal architecture common to DDD. > > >>>>> *Kokoro* - is a Japanese word meaning something connecting heart, > > >> mind, > > >>>>> body and spirit [4]. It has been trendy in the past to use Japanese > > >>>> words. > > >>>>> In case anyone wants a reminder, our current name *Isis* comes from > > >> the > > >>>>> name of the River Thames as it wanders through Oxford (the original > > >>>>> authors of the framework all used to live in Oxfordshire). Isis of > > >> course > > >>>>> was an Egyptian goddess [5]. > > >>>>> For voting, hopefully there will be a clear winner, but it might > make > > >>>> sense > > >>>>> to rank your preferences. If there are no clear winners then, well, > > >> we'll > > >>>>> go round the loop - we don't want to force through a change that > > >> no-one > > >>>> is > > >>>>> happy with. > > >>>>> Normally votes are at least 72 hours, but we intend to keep this > one > > >> open > > >>>>> longer than that, at least we've had a few contributions to the > > >> thread. > > >>>>> Only committers to the framework have a formal vote, but it'd be > > >> good to > > >>>>> hear the views of as many users of the framework as we can. > > >>>>> Thanks > > >>>>> Dan (co-drafted with Johan). > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ISIS-1303 > > >>>>> [2] > > >> > > > https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-odn0l-W5zow/Wmim3CiDJNI/AAAAAAAAG8c/ZiJPbHSbhHUEumzpxw1ZYNmIfb8IXnBjQCLcBGAs/s1600/20120919201309.jpg > > >>>>> [3] > > >> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant%27s_Causeway#/media/File:Causeway-code_poet-4.jpg > > >>>>> [4] > > >> > > > https://qz.com/946438/kokoro-a-japanese-word-connecting-mind-body-and-spirit-is-also-driving-scientific-discovery/ > > >>>>> [5] > > >> > > > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis#:~:text=Isis%20is%20a%20goddess%20in,greatest%20goddesses%20of%20Ancient%20Egypt > > >>>>> . > > > > >
