is possible that syntax rule is shown as error because of the VS 2008 support 
and not the language version? We arent using IronPython 1.x in any computer 
unless it's a mistake, Im not there now but I dont remember any asp.net sample 
folder which came with version 1.x

From: di...@microsoft.com
To: users@lists.ironpython.com
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:32:31 +0000
Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython source code











Wow, you must still be using IronPython 1.1 or IronPython 1.0.  The conditional 
expression was added in Python 2.5 so it’s in IronPython 2.0 (which maps to
 Python 2.5).  I’m guessing the VS 2008 support you’re using is 
IronPythonStudio which I believe is still at 1.0/1.1 as well.
 
We did release the code for the ASP.Net integration (see Jimmy’s announcement 
here 
http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2010/07/aspnet-dynamic-language-support-is-open.html)
 but I don’t remember if we included / re-built it for the 2.7B1 release.  The 
reason I bring this up is I think the best possible upgrade path if you want 
both ASP.NET + VS support would be to move to IronPython 2.7 and VS 2010.  If 
that’s not too big of a
 jump for you I think you’d find it’s a much better experience than 1.1 and the 
VS 2008 integration which is a little lacking in some aspects.
 
But if the conditional expression was the one extra thing you wanted you could 
also consider back porting it to IronPython 1.1 – it shouldn’t be very 
difficult. 
 The parser side of things won’t be much different between 1.1 and 2.7 but the 
code gen side will require some IL generation which will also give it more of a 
traditional compiler feel.  1.1 is also a little simpler in some aspects so it 
might be easier to
 get a feel of things there and then when you look at 2.x you can see how the 
DLR has been added in on top of that.
 



From: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com 
[mailto:users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com]
On Behalf Of Pablo Dalmazzo

Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:23 AM

To: IronPython Mailing list

Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython source code


 
Thanks Dino for the info, Jimmy for the tip and Jeff for the Twitter answer.

 


I'm interested in certain things but I need to read more to make any question 
understandable :) Also I would like to understand/understand better the reasons 
behind the important
 differences certain cool languages have among them, but that doesnt have to do 
with Python alone 


 


BTW, we arent working with the last version of IronPython, because we are 
working with the one we feel more secure for compatibility/integration issues 
with Visual Studio
 2008 and asp.net, and I havent read all the sourcecode changes report yet, but 
it would seem IronPython in Visual Studio 2008 Professional doesnt take as 
valid sentences of this kind: (in fact


they are marked as invalid by Visual Studio) "variable = value1 if condition is 
None else value2". 


 


Unless it's a change in the syntax from one Python version to another version? 
We arent aware of all the Python changes from a version to another. When we use 
some IronPython
 modules we get errors in lines like that so we translate them to the verbose 
version of the sentence for them to work. We move the modules from the 
IronPython installation to the App_script folder


 


May be we are using IronPython modules from a version with another version of 
IronPython where that kind of syntax rule was invalid?


 


 


 


 



From: di...@microsoft.com

To: users@lists.ironpython.com

Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:12:44 +0000

Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython source code

Yeah, there’s no good comprehensive docs.  There’s some stuff in the CHM but 
it’s more oriented towards people wanting to extend IronPython than work on it.
 
If there’s something particular you’re interested in someone can probably chime 
in on the list.  IronPython it’s self is pretty abstracted away from generating
 code now (we generally just generate expression trees everywhere).  So if 
you’re interested purely in the compiler side of things you can look at the 
Tokenizer->Parser->AST transformations but then we’re basically done w/ code 
gen at that point.
 



From: users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com 
[mailto:users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com]
On Behalf Of Jimmy Schementi

Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 8:08 AM

To: Discussion of IronPython

Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython source code


 
You'll have an easier time understanding Sympl, a sample programming language 
built on the DLR, which is at
http://dlr.codeplex.com. The documentation for Sympl and the DLR itself is at 
http://dlr.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Docs%20and%20specs&referringTitle=Documentation.
 From there you can "upgrade" to IronPython, but then hopefully you'll feel 
comfortable with just the source code. There are some old docs at 
http://ironpython.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=More%20Information,
 but really the source is your best bet.


~Jimmy

On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jeff Hardy <jdha...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Pablo,

As far as I know there isn't any detailed documentation, but Dino

would know for sure.



- Jeff




On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Pablo Dalmazzo

<pablodalm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,

> I was taken a look at the IronPython sourcecode. Is there any aditional

> resource/documentation/chart to help understand it? I've only coded in an

> "educational" compiler, you know, those made to teach you programming and

> even if it had the typical compiler stages it was very far from a real .NET

> compiler

> Greetings

>


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