On Sat, Nov 20, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Pablo Dalmazzo <pablodalm...@hotmail.com>wrote:
> is possible that syntax rule is shown as error because of the VS 2008 > support and not the language version? We arent using IronPython 1.x in any > computer unless it's a mistake, Im not there now but I dont remember any > asp.net sample folder which came with version 1.x > The VS2008 support doesn't understand the conditional expression because it uses IronPython 1.1 to check syntax, regardless of what version of IronPython you run your applications with. > > ------------------------------ > From: di...@microsoft.com > To: users@lists.ironpython.com > Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 19:32:31 +0000 > > Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython source code > > Wow, you must still be using IronPython 1.1 or IronPython 1.0. The > conditional expression was added in Python 2.5 so it’s in IronPython 2.0 > (which maps to Python 2.5). I’m guessing the VS 2008 support you’re using > is IronPythonStudio which I believe is still at 1.0/1.1 as well. > > > > We did release the code for the ASP.Net integration (see Jimmy’s > announcement here > http://blog.jimmy.schementi.com/2010/07/aspnet-dynamic-language-support-is-open.html) > but I don’t remember if we included / re-built it for the 2.7B1 release. > The reason I bring this up is I think the best possible upgrade path if you > want both ASP.NET + VS support would be to move to IronPython 2.7 and VS > 2010. If that’s not too big of a jump for you I think you’d find it’s a > much better experience than 1.1 and the VS 2008 integration which is a > little lacking in some aspects. > > > > But if the conditional expression was the one extra thing you wanted you > could also consider back porting it to IronPython 1.1 – it shouldn’t be very > difficult. The parser side of things won’t be much different between 1.1 > and 2.7 but the code gen side will require some IL generation which will > also give it more of a traditional compiler feel. 1.1 is also a little > simpler in some aspects so it might be easier to get a feel of things there > and then when you look at 2.x you can see how the DLR has been added in on > top of that. > > > > *From:* users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto: > users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Dalmazzo > *Sent:* Saturday, November 20, 2010 8:23 AM > *To:* IronPython Mailing list > *Subject:* Re: [IronPython] IronPython source code > > > > Thanks Dino for the info, Jimmy for the tip and Jeff for the Twitter > answer. > > > > I'm interested in certain things but I need to read more to make any > question understandable :) Also I would like to understand/understand better > the reasons behind the important differences certain cool languages have > among them, but that doesnt have to do with Python alone > > > > BTW, we arent working with the last version of IronPython, because we are > working with the one we feel more secure for compatibility/integration > issues with Visual Studio 2008 and asp.net, and I havent read all the > sourcecode changes report yet, but it would seem IronPython in Visual Studio > 2008 Professional doesnt take as valid sentences of this kind: (in fact > > they are marked as invalid by Visual Studio) "variable = value1 if > condition is None else value2". > > > > Unless it's a change in the syntax from one Python version to another > version? We arent aware of all the Python changes from a version to another. > When we use some IronPython modules we get errors in lines like that so we > translate them to the verbose version of the sentence for them to work. We > move the modules from the IronPython installation to the App_script folder > > > > May be we are using IronPython modules from a version with another version > of IronPython where that kind of syntax rule was invalid? > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > From: di...@microsoft.com > To: users@lists.ironpython.com > Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:12:44 +0000 > Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython source code > > Yeah, there’s no good comprehensive docs. There’s some stuff in the CHM > but it’s more oriented towards people wanting to extend IronPython than work > on it. > > > > If there’s something particular you’re interested in someone can probably > chime in on the list. IronPython it’s self is pretty abstracted away from > generating code now (we generally just generate expression trees > everywhere). So if you’re interested purely in the compiler side of things > you can look at the Tokenizer->Parser->AST transformations but then we’re > basically done w/ code gen at that point. > > > > *From:* users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com [mailto: > users-boun...@lists.ironpython.com] *On Behalf Of *Jimmy Schementi > *Sent:* Friday, November 19, 2010 8:08 AM > *To:* Discussion of IronPython > *Subject:* Re: [IronPython] IronPython source code > > > > You'll have an easier time understanding Sympl, a sample programming > language built on the DLR, which is at http://dlr.codeplex.com. The > documentation for Sympl and the DLR itself is at > http://dlr.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Docs%20and%20specs&referringTitle=Documentation<http://dlr.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=Docs+and+specs&referringTitle=Documentation>. > From there you can "upgrade" to IronPython, but then hopefully you'll feel > comfortable with just the source code. There are some old docs at > http://ironpython.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=More%20Information<http://ironpython.codeplex.com/wikipage?title=More+Information>, > but really the source is your best bet. > > > ~Jimmy > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jeff Hardy <jdha...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Pablo, > As far as I know there isn't any detailed documentation, but Dino > would know for sure. > > - Jeff > > > On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Pablo Dalmazzo > <pablodalm...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I was taken a look at the IronPython sourcecode. Is there any aditional > > resource/documentation/chart to help understand it? I've only coded in an > > "educational" compiler, you know, those made to teach you programming and > > even if it had the typical compiler stages it was very far from a real > .NET > > compiler > > Greetings > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Users mailing list > > Users@lists.ironpython.com > > http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.ironpython.com > http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ Users mailing list > Users@lists.ironpython.com > http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com > > _______________________________________________ Users mailing list > Users@lists.ironpython.com > http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > Users@lists.ironpython.com > http://lists.ironpython.com/listinfo.cgi/users-ironpython.com > >
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