So lets start a drive to get rid of them in all the plugins.

Fire up the first bug report!
--
dIon Gillard, Multitask Consulting
Blog:      http://blogs.codehaus.org/people/dion/



"W. Sean Hennessy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 13/12/2003 
10:30:27 AM:

> Yes. 
> Unfortunately the use of ${maven.build.dir} was not adopted by all 
parties 
> else this discussion would have been moot.
> The source of our discomfort are the odors eminating from the use of 
hard-
> coded directory names like "src" and "target"
> in some templates and jelly scripts.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:40 PM
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: RE: How set maven.build.dest in project.xml ?
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2003-12-12 at 17:00, W. Sean Hennessy wrote:
> > A point of order..
> > "currently flexible property with a rigid standard"
> > is not entirely accurate.
> > "target/" is not a property, it is hard coded.
> > The discussion is about changing this hard coded directory name to a 
> > property like ${target-dir-nm}.
> 
> It's already ${maven.build.dir} it's just that many people use the 
hard-coded target/.
> 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Lester Ward [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 12:38 PM
> > To: 'Maven Users List'
> > Subject: RE: How set maven.build.dest in project.xml ?
> > 
> > 
> > > Your analysis is simply erroneous. We don't make changes arbitrarily 

> > > for the sake of making changes or to cause users long-term grief. So 

> > > far I think I've done all right in OSS using similiar practices that 

> > > I employ for Maven.
> > 
> > I agree. Maven is a wonderful piece of technology.
> > 
> > > Velocity, Apache XmlRpc, OJB, BCEL are all and
> > > haven't fallen prey to disuse yet.
> > 
> > Nor has Maven. Sorry if I gave the impression that I thought it had. 
> > My point was only that I've seen projects disintegrate when they began 

> > to insist that the rest of the world conform to them _unnecessarily_.
> > 
> > I think the basic issue I (and, I think, some of the other posters) 
> > have is that they don't see why fixing the target directory in place 
> > is _necessary_. What benefit does it provide to fix it in place? Why 
> > is that benefit worth more than the flexibility of the current system?
> > 
> > > Again, I believe you are wrong and that given the benefits users 
> > > derive from Maven they will eventually start asking makers of tools 
> > > to accommodate Maven's methods of development.
> > 
> > Some will. Some won't. That will cause pain (if Maven becomes less 
> > flexible) for those who want to use the systems that won't conform. My 

> > experience is that open source developers tend not to have to deal 
> > with such pain, so are overly unsympathetic towards it. I can agree to 

> > disagree here, though.
> > 
> > > I don't feel compelled to defend my philosophy because it manifests
> > > itself in Maven and you're obviously using it so you must already 
> > > agree to some extent. And I can see that you care because you're 
> > > arguing with me which I take as a compliment.
> > 
> > I do care. The reason I am posting is that you appear to be on the 
> > verge of changing the philosophy used in Maven (i.e. replacing a 
> > currently flexible property with a rigid standard).
> > 
> > Wordman
> > 
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> justified in it.
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