No worries, Brandon. I have to run now but I'll be happy to continue the discussion later tonight... ;-)
Wayne On 4/24/06, Brandon Goodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Wayne, I'm sorry if my email tone sounds aggressive... i really am > not trying to come off that way. So please accept my comments purely > as an exercise in conversation. > > I totally understand the intellectual property that rights that Sun > attaches to their jars. I fully respect them. I'm just trying to > understand why so much emphasis is placed on the centralized jar repo. > There were plenty of other concerns besides the sun jars that i cited. > I'm just speaking more from my needs. The repo is cool. But, I see an > equally acceptable approach of having jars that you check into your > source code repo. I guess I'm trying more to understand why there is > such an emphasis on central repo over simply presenting the ability to > use either/or. > > As an additional note, the centralized repo is only as good as those > willing to post to it. I've run into the problem that the latest and > greatest are not always on ibiblio. I've also ran into the problem > that there are sometimes version gaps. Also, I've seen where there are > the same jars under different (but similar) group ids. I know i can > setup a local repo for jars. But, then i find myself wondering why. > Especially when i already have a versioning repository... SVN. > > Many thanks for your time and responses, > Brandon > > > > On 4/24/06, Wayne Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > That should be "Checking Sun Jars into your SVN repo". Obviously > > anyone is allowed to download the Sun Jars and install them into their > > own local Maven repo, or anything else permitted under the Sun BCL > > terms. > > > > Checking the jars into a publicly available distribution service ie > > Sourceforge CVS/SVN etc is unfortunately not allowed by Sun's > > licensing. > > > > You can go to Sun.com and read the specifics of the BCL if you want, > > to see what specifically is permitted and what is not. > > > > Wayne > > > > On 4/24/06, Wayne Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Checking Sun Jars into your repo is a violation of the Sun Binary > > > Compatibility License which you agreed to when you downloaded the > > > file. (Assuming the file was downloaded from Sun under the Sun BCL > > > terms, which most files on Sun.com require you to accept prior to > > > downloading.) > > > > > > I doubt Sun will chase you down and prosecute you, but realize that > > > some of us actually care about respecting intellectual property and > > > license requirements. Complaining about the way these Sun Jars are > > > handled to the Maven User list is really the wrong place -- complain > > > directly to Sun, ask them to modify the distribution terms of their > > > licenses, etc. > > > > > > Wayne > > > > > > On 4/24/06, Brandon Goodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > "tons of advantages" - please quantify this. > > > > > > > > Personally, I find the repository to be a "nice" piece of Maven. But, > > > > I don't see it as a cardinal sin to actually distribute libraries in > > > > your project. If you follow the libary naming convention then who > > > > cares? > > > > > > > > Personally, what i find annoying are the copious additional, needless, > > > > and redundant dependencies that i have to download because of the > > > > dependencies defined in the pom of a jar that i need to download. I > > > > also find it annoying to have to manually install several small > > > > libraries to my local repo cuz i can't distribute them as a result of > > > > licensing. It is additionally annoying to have to setup a jar > > > > repository that will be used for jars that will be needed that can > > > > only be distributed privately. All of this... vs. me just referencing > > > > them in my source tree? > > > > > > > > I like Maven a lot and really enjoy the standard project layout > > > > features and plugins that are provided. But, the jar repository has > > > > caused me more time and less efficiency. However, i do like ibiblio > > > > for a single one stop shop for grabbing jars i need... to drop in my > > > > source tree ;-) > > > > > > > > I like it when people can check out my source from SVN and simply > > > > build. This is possible when i place them in SVN. Heck, I can even > > > > check Sun Jars into my SVN repo! ;) > > > > > > > > Thanks to everyone for pointing me in the direction of the system. > > > > I'll be using it. I'm always open to a compelling argument and a tap > > > > on the forehead that helps me to see the light. > > > > > > > > Many Thanks, > > > > Brandon > > > > > > > > On 4/24/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Well you can use *system* dependencies but you loose tons of > > > > > advantages. Instead, maybe you should just populate your local > > > > > repository using the install plugin and -o to run mvn offline. > > > > > > > > > > On 4/24/06, Brandon Goodin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Is it a requirement that i use the remote repository for jars? Is > > > > > > there a way to reference jars that are distributed with the code > > > > > > when > > > > > > checked out from the code repository? > > > > > > > > > > > > Brandon > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
