Which of the 3 styles is best? Am I missing one? On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:45 AM, Mark Struberg <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes, I feared that :( > > They have a relative defensive update policy. > > On one side this is good for existing apps which doesn't have much > compatibility problems. But they e.g. still ship a very old jetty container > which contains lots of known bugs. > > LieGrue, > strub > > --- On Mon, 12/6/10, Nikolay Rychkov <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Nikolay Rychkov <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: myfaces popularity > > To: "MyFaces Discussion" <[email protected]> > > Date: Monday, December 6, 2010, 2:02 AM > > GAE does not support it. > > > http://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=3431&q=el&colspec=ID%20Type%20Status%20Priority%20Stars%20Owner%20Summary%20Log%20Component%20Language > > > > 2010/12/5 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > > > > > > thingy.edit('X') > > > > > > So what you need is UEL-2.2. No idea if gae supports > > this. Maybe there is > > > an option to get it (comes with Servlet-3.0). In this > > case you would not > > > need to do anything - but if gae doesn't support it, > > then you would most > > > likely be doomed :/ > > > > > > Maybe try asking Ali Ok, he did a few things on GAE in > > the past. > > > > > > LieGrue, > > > strub > > > > > > --- On Sun, 12/5/10, ken keller <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: ken keller <[email protected]> > > > > Subject: Re: myfaces popularity > > > > To: "MyFaces Discussion" <[email protected]> > > > > Date: Sunday, December 5, 2010, 8:14 PM > > > > I don't see how CDI helps. I tried 3 > > > > ways: > > > > > > > > X denotes the value of the ID. > > > > > > > > 1) Pass id as view param using h:link: > > > > <h:link value="edit" outcome="edit_thing"> > > > > <f:param name="id" > > value="X"/> > > > > </h:link> > > > > and bind to pseudo-property named idToLoad in > > > > edit_thing.xhtml: > > > > <f:metadata> > > > > <f:viewParam name="id" > > > > value="#{thingy.idToLoad}"/> > > > > </f:metadata> > > > > > > > > 2) Pass id as view param using h:commandLink: > > > > <h:commandLink value="edit" > > action="#{thingy.edit}"> > > > > <f:param name="id" > > value="X"/> > > > > </h:commandLink> > > > > Action method named edit() gets id from > > FacesContext: > > > > > > > > > > FacesContext.getCurrentInstance().getExternalContext().getRequestParameterMap().get("id"); > > > > If that isn't inconvenient, what is? :) > > > > > > > > 3) Pass id as EL param using h:commandLink: > > > > <h:commandLink value="edit" > > > > action="#{thingy.edit('X')}"> > > > > </h:commandLink> > > > > myfaces complains: > > > > java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: > > > > > > > > > > javax.el.ELResolver.invoke(Ljavax/el/ELContext;Ljava/lang/Object;Ljava/lang/Object;[Ljava/lang/Class;[Ljava/lang/Object;)Ljava/lang/Object; > > > > My action method is: > > > > public String edit(String id) { ... } > > > > My web.xml has: > > > > <context-param> > > > > > > > > > > <param-name>com.sun.faces.expressionFactory</param-name> > > > > > > > > > > <param-value>com.sun.el.ExpressionFactoryImpl</param-value> > > > > </context-param> > > > > <context-param> > > > > > > > > > > <param-name>org.apache.myfaces.EXPRESSION_FACTORY</param-name> > > > > > > > > > > <param-value>com.sun.el.ExpressionFactoryImpl</param-value> > > > > </context-param> > > > > My pom.xml has: > > > > <dependency> > > > > > > <groupId>javax.el</groupId> > > > > > > <artifactId>el-api</artifactId> > > > > <version>2.2</version> > > > > </dependency> > > > > <dependency> > > > > > > <groupId>org.glassfish.web</groupId> > > > > > > <artifactId>el-impl</artifactId> > > > > <version>2.2</version> > > > > </dependency> > > > > I don't know why this fails. > > > > > > > > What's the best style? > > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Gerhard <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > short addition: > > > > > > > > > > with myfaces codi also beans annotated with > > > > @ManagedBean are normal cdi > > > > > beans (automatically). > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > gerhard > > > > > > > > > > http://www.irian.at > > > > > > > > > > Your JSF powerhouse - > > > > > JSF Consulting, Development and > > > > > Courses in English and German > > > > > > > > > > Professional Support for Apache MyFaces > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/12/4 Mark Struberg <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > +1, with CDI you would be able to > > simply @Inject > > > > all your needed > > > > > > parameters. In general I'd say that one > > should > > > > generally use CDI instead > > > > > of > > > > > > the JSF @ManagedBean mechanism. > > > > > > > > > > > > LieGrue, > > > > > > strub > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Jakob Korherr > > <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Jakob Korherr <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: myfaces popularity > > > > > > > To: "MyFaces Discussion" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, December 4, 2010, > > 3:45 PM > > > > > > > ... or, you know, use CDI for > > your > > > > > > > managed beans ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Jakob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/12/4 Jakob Korherr <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, I just skimmed your > > mail, but > > > > for your last > > > > > > > point > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>Finally, what's the > > correct way to > > > > implement an > > > > > > > editor action? The managed > > > > > > > >>bean needs to be > > initialized before > > > > rendering it. > > > > > > > So instead of invoking the > > > > > > > >>no-arg constructor, I want > > something > > > > like: > > > > > > > >>Foo(id) > > > > > > > >>to be invoked. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you can use a no-arg > > constructor and an > > > > init method > > > > > > > annotated with > > > > > > > > @PostConstruct. So something > > like > > > > this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @PostConstruct > > > > > > > > private void init() { // init > > bean here > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, you can't pass > > arguments > > > > neither to the > > > > > > > constructor nor to > > > > > > > > this init method. You need to > > 1) get > > > > everything you > > > > > > > need from the > > > > > > > > context or 2) set them from > > outside via > > > > setter > > > > > > > methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Jakob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2010/12/3 ken keller <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > >> My last startup is > > > > www.collectrium.com. We use > > > > > > > AWS/py/django. This was my > > > > > > > >> first non-Java app & > > I missed > > > > strong typing. > > > > > > > django's template language is > > > > > > > >> verbose & there's not > > much of a > > > > widget > > > > > > > library. So I'm back to Java. AWS > > > > > > > >> avoids setting up a data > > center (as > > > > co-founder of > > > > > > > IGN.com, I don't miss > > > > > > > >> managing 1,000 servers) > > but one > > > > still must manage > > > > > > > the OS & scaling. So I'm > > > > > > > >> trying appengine. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> jsf's attractions are > > validation, > > > > data binding, > > > > > > > component model, component > > > > > > > >> libraries. Too bad it > > doesn't > > > > include safe HTML > > > > > > > (ala > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/doc/latest/ReleaseNotes.html#SafeHtml) > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > >> it should be easy to wrap > > text > > > > components. Too bad > > > > > > > the component library > > > > > > > >> suppliers won't rally > > around a > > > > standard > > > > > > > look-&-feel so one could mix > > > > > > > >> components. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I like gwt but it doesn't > > have > > > > validation & > > > > > > > SEO is too hard. I might use gwt > > > > > > > >> for editing functionality > > & a > > > > lightweight > > > > > > > template language (which doesn't > > > > > > > >> require a servlet > > container or mock > > > > for unit > > > > > > > testing) like freemarker for > > > > > > > >> browsing functionality. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> My current startup is a > > > > productivity tool in the > > > > > > > cloud. I hope it will be > > > > > > > >> used by many people of > > course. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I'm using IntelliJ & > > appengine > > > > 1.3.8. From my > > > > > > > web.xml: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > <context-param> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <param-name>com.sun.faces.expressionFactory</param-name> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <param-value>com.sun.el.ExpressionFactoryImpl</param-value> > > > > > > > >> > > </context-param> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> From my pom.xml: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> <dependency> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <groupId>javax.el</groupId> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <artifactId>el-api</artifactId> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <version>2.2</version> > > > > > > > > > > > >> </dependency> > > > > > > > > > > > >> <dependency> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <groupId>org.glassfish.web</groupId> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <artifactId>el-impl</artifactId> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <version>2.2</version> > > > > > > > > > > > >> </dependency> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> When I run the app, the > > log shows: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> INFO: Either you haven't > > specified > > > > the > > > > > > > ExpressionFactory implementation, > > or > > > > > > > >> an error occured while > > > > instantiating the > > > > > > > implementation you've specified. > > > > > > > >> However, attempting to > > load a > > > > known > > > > > > > implementation. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> The app works but I > > wonder why. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> I'm having trouble w/ > > primefaces > > > > too. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Finally, what's the > > correct way to > > > > implement an > > > > > > > editor action? The managed > > > > > > > >> bean needs to be > > initialized before > > > > rendering it. > > > > > > > So instead of invoking the > > > > > > > >> no-arg constructor, I > > want > > > > something like: > > > > > > > >> Foo(id) > > > > > > > >> to be invoked. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at > > 10:04 AM, > > > > Kito Mann <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >>> Hello Ken, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> There's definitely a > > lot of > > > > activity in the > > > > > > > JSF world, and it's used by a > > > > > > > >>> lot of large and > > smaller > > > > companies (see > > > > > > http://www.javaserverfaces.org/for > > > > > > > >>> a list of sites built > > using JSF > > > > or Seam under > > > > > > > "JSF in Production"). There > > > > > > > >>> are a variety of > > industries, > > > > but it's quite > > > > > > > popular in Finance (banks and > > > > > > > >>> insurance > > companies). > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> In terms of active > > development, > > > > you can just > > > > > > > look at the recent releases to > > > > > > > >>> see there's a lot > > going on. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> It's worthwhile also > > to point > > > > out that > > > > > > > Trinidad is used as the > > foundation > > > > > > > >>> for all of the Oracle > > Fusion > > > > applications. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> What sort of > > application is > > > > your startup > > > > > > > intending to build with MyFaces? > > > > > > > >>> --- > > > > > > > >>> Kito D. Mann | > > twitter: kito99 > > > > | Author, JSF > > > > > > > in Action > > > > > > > >>> Virtua, Inc. | http://www.virtua.com | JSF/Java EE > > > > > > > training and consulting > > > > > > > >>> http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer > > > > > > > Faces FAQ, news, and info | > > > > > > > >>> twitter: > > > > > > > >>> jsfcentral > > > > > > > >>> +1 203-404-4848 x3 > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> Public JSF 2 Training > > this > > > > January in London: > > > > > > > JSF 2 Update for JSF 1.x > > > > > > > >>> users > > > > > > > >>> (http://bit.ly/jsf2updatecourse< > > > > > > > >>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/jsf2-update-course > >) > > > > > > > >>> and JSF 2 in Action > > > > > > > >>> (http://bit.ly/jsf2course< > > > > > > > >>> http://skillsmatter.com/course/java-jee/jsf-and-ajax> > > > > > > > >>> ) > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 > > at 11:44 > > > > AM, ken keller > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >>> > 1Mpvs/day on > > which URL? > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > mojarra looks > > inactive: > > > > > > > >>> > http://java.net/projects/mojarra/lists > > > > > > > >>> > The richfaces > > team seems > > > > to prefer > > > > > > > mojarra to myfaces. Given the > > effort > > > > > > > >>> > being devoted to > > richfaces > > > > & > > > > > > > primefaces atop jsf2, one would > > think there > > > > > > > >>> > would be much > > more > > > > activity on the > > > > > > > lists. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > I've posted > > twice over the > > > > last few > > > > > > > months about > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > javax.faces.application.ViewExpiredException > > > > > > > >>> > thrown on > > appengine but > > > > nobody replied. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > http://www.irian.at/myfaces_support > > > > > > > >>> > costs $5,300/yr > > for basic > > > > > > > support--$10,600 for advanced. My > > startup > > > > can't > > > > > > > >>> > afford > > this--especially > > > > without trying it > > > > > > > first--perhaps a paygo option. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > I haven't > > studied the > > > > source code to see > > > > > > > if there's unit testing. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > As compelling as > > jsf2 is, > > > > I'm scared to > > > > > > > bet my startup on it. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > On Fri, Dec 3, > > 2010 at > > > > 12:30 AM, Mark > > > > > > > Struberg <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > Hi! > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > With the > > pretty fast > > > > development on > > > > > > > the spec side (last year 2.0, > > last > > > > > > > >>> > week > > > > > > > >>> > > 2.1 - > > thanks Ed!) > > > > there is a very > > > > > > > steady development going on atm. > > Also > > > > > > > >>> > > remember > > that EE6 is > > > > pretty fresh. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > So while > > there is > > > > currently not that > > > > > > > much traffic on the us...@mf list > > > > > > > >>> > > there is > > pretty much > > > > of it on the > > > > > > > dev list atm. > > > > > > > >>> > > The move > > from JSF-1.x > > > > to JSF-2.x is > > > > > > > still to be done for most of the > > > > > > > >>> > legacy > > > > > > > >>> > > projects, > > but there > > > > are a few JFS-2 > > > > > > > projects already in production > > with > > > > > > > >>> > lot > > > > > > > >>> > > of success > > (we > > > > currently serve ~ 1 > > > > > > > mio page hits per day with > > > > > > > >>> MyFaces-2, > > > > > > > >>> > > > > OpenWebBeans, CODI, > > > > OpenJPA2 and our > > > > > > > servers are pretty 'cold') > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > LieGrue, > > > > > > > >>> > > strub > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > --- On Fri, > > 12/3/10, > > > > Matthias > > > > > > > Wessendorf <[email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > From: > > Matthias > > > > Wessendorf > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Subject: Re: > > > > myfaces > > > > > > > popularity > > > > > > > >>> > > > To: > > "MyFaces > > > > Discussion" <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Date: > > Friday, > > > > December 3, 2010, > > > > > > > 7:44 AM > > > > > > > >>> > > > On > > Fri, Dec 3, > > > > 2010 at 7:28 AM, > > > > > > > ken > > > > > > > >>> > > > keller > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > This > > > > mailing list isn't > > > > > > > very active. Most of the > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > messages seem to > > > > be about > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > component > > > > libs like > > > > > > > Trinidad. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Is myfaces > > > > popular? > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > yes it > > is. > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Wouldn't a > > > > searchable > > > > > > > group be more convenient than a > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > mailing list? > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the > > archives > > > > *are* searchable > > > > > > > (e.g. markmail). > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > -- > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Matthias > > > > Wessendorf > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > blog: > > http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > twitter: http://twitter.com/mwessendorf > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Jakob Korherr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blog: http://www.jakobk.com > > > > > > > > twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr > > > > > > > > work: http://www.irian.at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Jakob Korherr > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blog: http://www.jakobk.com > > > > > > > twitter: http://twitter.com/jakobkorherr > > > > > > > work: http://www.irian.at > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
