On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Peter Steele <steeleh...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Keep up your enthusiasm 😀 If you have time, contribute, if not then you
> will need to wait patiently for the first version.
>


I would go a bit further than that and say that if, after Apache NetBeans
is released, and you find all kinds of issues, and you have been aware that
you could have participated in NetCAT (really, not more than one or two
hours a week is all the time needed to be spent) -- then you're likely to
be told [ at least by me! :-) ] that the issues that you find will not
receive a very high priority.

Gj





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> On 7 Mar 2018 10:48, "Ashton Hogan" <ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Maybe you're right.
>>
>> I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity
>> to be the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms
>> socialism in prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans?
>>
>> Sorry to hear that this won't work for NetBeans, I tried to help!
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:44:09 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga <
>> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> All the time you have now spent in this discussion, which is clearly not
>> going to end with anyone spending the time to take your money, you could
>> have spent on signing up to the NetCAT process and then following step by
>> step instructions -- that don't require any special knowledge -- to help
>> prepare Apache NetBeans for its first official release.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Ashton Hogan <
>> ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business
>> structure to competitors as well though so it's not as easy. So you think
>> it's impossible?
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:38:34 GMT, <c...@jm-bea.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sometimes a project need time more than money.
>> And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any
>> legal around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...)
>>
>> Jean-Michel
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote:
>>
>>
>> What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element
>> of assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than
>> time at the moment, that's all I can offer.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
>> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.
>> com <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT,
>> you get step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where.
>>
>> We don’t want your money, we want your time.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com <ashtonho...@ymail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills
>> to do a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to
>> pay for skills when contributors are running low though, surely?
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
>> From: Geertjan Wielenga
>> To: users@netbeans.incubator. apache.org
>> <us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>
>> CC:
>>
>>
>> Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache
>> NetBeans is to be involved here:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/NETBEANS/ NetCAT
>> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT>
>>
>> In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com <
>> ashtonho...@ymail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It's available https://www.name.com/domain/se arch/netbeansfield.com
>> <https://www.name.com/domain/search/netbeansfield.com>
>>
>> Sent from my Huawei Mobile
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
>> From: John Muczynski
>> To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
>> CC: users@netbeans.incubator.apach e.org
>> <us...@netbeans.incubator.apache.org>,geertjan.wielenga@google mail.com
>> <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>
>>
>>
>> Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are
>> grown.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Johnny Muczynski
>> 734-262-2045
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan
>> <ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid > wrote:
>>
>>
>> I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!
>>
>> On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
>> <geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.
>> com <geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not be
>> able to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the
>> foundation as a whole:
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundati on/sponsorship.html
>> <http://www.apache.org/foundation/sponsorship.html>
>>
>> However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up
>> together comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (
>> tomee.apache.org) has an external organization that provides support and
>> so on -- and also receives money. I.e., we could have a NetBeans Tribe or
>> something like that, which could offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs
>> on demand or something like that, in exchange for money.
>>
>> Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan <
>> ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid > wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all
>>
>> Like all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately I've
>> noticed a particular competitor IDE being demanded more on job specs and
>> wondered how they managed to grow so big so quick. Turns out they sell
>> licenses as well as offering a free version. I, myself, as a user feel
>> guilty benefitting as much as I do from NetBeans and never having to pay a
>> dime for it, even though I would absolutely do so in a heartbeat given the
>> opportunity. Is there any way that NetBeans can make some income to support
>> its longevity?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ashton
>>
>>
>>

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