I've also tried begging for contributions, it got me nowhere, I eventually 
just settled for paying for them instead which moved me forward way quicker... 
this is just my personal experience, I can't speak for everyone and I'm humbled 
by the development of the IDE that is NetBeans.
    On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:57:31 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
<geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:  
On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:53 AM, Peter Steele <steeleh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Keep up your enthusiasm 😀 If you have time, contribute, if not then you will 
need to wait patiently for the first version. 

I would go a bit further than that and say that if, after Apache NetBeans is 
released, and you find all kinds of issues, and you have been aware that you 
could have participated in NetCAT (really, not more than one or two hours a 
week is all the time needed to be spent) -- then you're likely to be told [ at 
least by me! :-) ] that the issues that you find will not receive a very high 


On 7 Mar 2018 10:48, "Ashton Hogan" <ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid > wrote:

 Maybe you're right.
I must say, based on my research, I truly believed commercial activity to be 
the answer to revive NetBeans. Capitalism always outperforms socialism in 
prosperity so why wouldn't capital work for NetBeans?

Sorry to hear that this won't work for NetBeans, I tried to help!

    On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:44:09 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
<geertjan.wielenga@googlemail. com> wrote:  
 All the time you have now spent in this discussion, which is clearly not going 
to end with anyone spending the time to take your money, you could have spent 
on signing up to the NetCAT process and then following step by step 
instructions -- that don't require any special knowledge -- to help prepare 
Apache NetBeans for its first official release.

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:42 AM, Ashton Hogan <ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid > 

 True Jean-Michel, I understand NetBeans has a different business structure to 
competitors as well though so it's not as easy. So you think it's impossible?
    On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 10:38:34 GMT, <c...@jm-bea.net> wrote:  

Sometimes a project need time more than money.
And receiving money takes time! (Somebody needs to manage the money + any legal 
around it, somebody need to hire the testers and managed them, etc...)

On Wed, 7 Mar 2018, at 10:32, Ashton Hogan wrote:

What if my time is more productive elsewhere? I think there's an element of 
assigning the right people to the right jobs. I have more money than time at 
the moment, that's all I can offer.

On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 09:57:25 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
<geertjan.wielenga@googlemail. com> wrote:

Nope. That excuse does not compute. :-) When you participate in NetCAT, you get 
step by step instructions for what to test, how, and where.

We don’t want your money, we want your time.


On Wednesday, March 7, 2018, ashtonho...@ymail.com <ashtonho...@ymail.com> 

I would love to but I just don't have the necessary knowledge and skills to do 
a good job at it. If we had a piggy bank, it would come in handy to pay for 
skills when contributors are running low though, surely? 

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
From: Geertjan Wielenga 
To: users@netbeans.incubator. apache.org

Well, for the moment, the very best way to contribute back to Apache NetBeans 
is to be involved here:

https://cwiki.apache.org/ confluence/display/NETBEANS/ NetCAT

In fact, that's more useful at this stage than money. :-)


On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 8:46 AM, ashtonho...@ymail.com <ashtonho...@ymail.com> 

It's available https://www.name.com/domain/se arch/netbeansfield.com

Sent from my Huawei Mobile

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: Long Live NetBeans!
From: John Muczynski 
To: ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid
CC: users@netbeans.incubator.apach e.org,geertjan.wielenga@google mail.com

Maybe a NetBeans field -- BeanField -- as in a field where beans are grown.

Johnny Muczynski

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 12:13 PM Ashton Hogan <ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid > 

I like it, I like it a lot. Let's do it!

On Tuesday, 6 March 2018, 17:01:20 GMT, Geertjan Wielenga 
<geertjan.wielenga@googlemail. com> wrote:

Thanks for the enthusiasm. :-) As an Apache project, NetBeans will not be able 
to earn money directly -- all money coming into Apache goes to the foundation 
as a whole:

http://www.apache.org/foundati on/sponsorship.html

However, potentially, there could be an organization that we set up together 
comparable to Tomitribe (tomitribe.com), i.e., Apache TomEE (tomee.apache.org) 
has an external organization that provides support and so on -- and also 
receives money. I.e., we could have a NetBeans Tribe or something like that, 
which could offer advanced features or maybe fix bugs on demand or something 
like that, in exchange for money.

Just a thought, though something for the future, if at all.


On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Ashton Hogan <ashtonho...@ymail.com.invalid > 

Hi all

Like all of you, I use NetBeans to build my own projects. Lately I've noticed a 
particular competitor IDE being demanded more on job specs and wondered how 
they managed to grow so big so quick. Turns out they sell licenses as well as 
offering a free version. I, myself, as a user feel guilty benefitting as much 
as I do from NetBeans and never having to pay a dime for it, even though I 
would absolutely do so in a heartbeat given the opportunity. Is there any way 
that NetBeans can make some income to support its longevity? 






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