Thanks Bertrand. I don't really participate in too many mailing lists to be 
honest. Every time I do, it seems to end with me being too lazy to understand 
other peoples ideas so I just tend to turn them down...
I understand the Apache policy and I think it's really unfortunate. I've seen 
so many apache projects die out over the years, probably due to this policy (I 
hope I didn't just kill any sacred cows with this)

The problem I see with donations, in any form, is that people don't feel like 
their contribution will make a difference so they tend to not bother. Whereas 
with a license, for example, I know that EVERYONE is buying one so I feel like 
my money is going to a company that will grow and not just die out tomorrow
    On Wednesday, 7 March 2018, 11:35:15 GMT, Bertrand Delacretaz 
<> wrote:  

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:12 PM, Ashton Hogan
<> wrote:
> ...I've also tried begging for contributions, it got me nowhere, I eventually 
> just settled
>for paying for them instead which moved me forward way quicker... this is just 
> personal experience...

Paying people to contribute to Apache projects is a fantastic
contribution, but that cannot go through the Apache Software
Foundation as it's a basic principle that the Foundation *never* pays
for writing software for our projects.

What you can do is contract people to work on things that you find
useful, keeping in mind that merging these contributions into Apache
NetBeans is subject to approval of the NetBeans PPMC, like any other

People have been running crowdfunding campaigns for their work on
Apache projects, for example, and that's great as long as the ASF can
stay totally out of it and see the results just as another

The example disclaimer at should
help explain that better.

-Bertrand (incubation mentor for NetBeans)

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