I second this, Chris's answers are 100% useful, and IMHO he cannot be missed on this list.
Best regards, Bart > Hi Christopher, > > to use Mikas word > "Don't you dare. 95 % of your answers is pure help and the rest.. yep I > would say that the rest is enjoyable reading." > > Your responses are sometimes very to a point, but I would miss this ones. > And naturally would miss the responses, that enhance my knowledge of > OpenLayers. > > I like the OpenLayers API and i'm again and again impressed, what is > possible. I have also own ideas how to use the API (could be seen in > online > applications). I'm able to modify OpenLayers functions and overwrite the > originals for my purposes. > > But I don't understand enough of object orientated javascript (especially > the OpenLayers API), to contribute ideas, examples, documentations or > patches to the list. So what I do, is following the discussion here and > sometimes on the developer list, to learn more about OpenLayers. And if > possible, response to questions I mean I have an answer. > > Arnd Wippermann > > _____ > > Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im > Auftrag von Mika Lehtonen > Gesendet: Dienstag, 24. Februar 2009 22:10 > An: Christopher Schmidt > Cc: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [OpenLayers-Users] Intuitive and good looking icons > > > > > Christopher Schmidt kirjoitti: > > On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:17:56PM +0200, Mika Lehtonen wrote: > > > > Christopher Schmidt kirjoitti: > > > > attitude is everything when communicating with > > a mailing list > > > > Shouldn't that also concern developers? > > > > > > Absolutely; and developers like me who are rude end up paying for it. > > > > > > I am asking this because I've been noticing that in OL-users list there > > are time to time so hostile responses to the users ideas that for > > example I haven't ever experienced such in the Geoserver users list. > > > > > > Is this thread an example? Do you have other examples? (Are they all me? > > In which case, that's fair, and I should probably just get off the users > > list.) > > > > I don't like digging old dirt. This was just a feeling based thought. > > > > > I think that all the users throwing ideas in the list are just trying > > to make things better, not to question developers competence or > > ability to do their work. > > > > > > I think that many users of OpenLayers consider it to be the > > responsibility of someone else to fix their problems. I think that's a > > silly expectation, and I don't feel that it's neccesary to entertain all > > ideas that come -- since for every idea that comes with code behind it, > > 10 more come in as "Wouldn't it be nice if?" > > > > There are many things that would be nice, but given that a huge majority > > of OpenLayers development is done by a very small core of developers, > > with limited contribution from people who wish that things would somehow > > magically get better, the social environment degrades. This thread is an > > example of that, in my opinion. > > http://openlayers.org/pipermail/users/2009-February/010300.html is > > another case where I blew up. > > > > In fact, reviewing the OL-users list, I see that I respond an order of > > magnitude more times than all other trunk OL developers combined. If > > there is a feeling that developers are being rude to users, then that > > can only be coming from my behavior. I think that's a sign that I > > shouldn't be on the users mailing list anymore. Thank you for pointing > > that out to me; from here foreward, I will shy away from responding the > > users list. > > > > Don't you dare. 95 % of your answers is pure help and the rest.. yep I > would > say that the rest is enjoyable reading. > > > > > Yeah, it easily happens that you come up with a superb idea and share > > it in the list without thinking how to put it in there or > > reconsidering how superb it really is. But one shouldn't take it as an > > insult or yelling. In my opinion, everyone should have one vote, > > regardless of whether you are a developer or an user, to vote for > > things and features you like. After all, it isn't just developers who > > are making open source (software) possible. > > > > > > It is my belief that everyone who is contributing code should > > absolutely get one vote. > > I disagree. You know I like metaphoras. I think that open source software > development is like motor racing. Developers are engineers who build the > chassis and suspension and motor and tune them up as good as they can. > Users > are those arragant drivers who come and test the car and after that tell > what they think it could be done better. Some of them just say: this is > too > slow, others may have an idea of getting more revs out of the engine. But > most of them have no idea how to implement these improvements. They come > and > go. But engineers stay all night and build new engines. Some times they > get > bitter of hearing nothing but complaining. But deep in their hearts they > enjoy the excitement and the joy of success of what they are doing. Either > of these groups wouldn't exists without another. No real progress is made > without feed back. Criticism is a good concept, if you take it that way. > Sarcasm sucks. > > - mika - > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > _______________________________________________ > Users mailing list > [email protected] > http://openlayers.org/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [email protected] http://openlayers.org/mailman/listinfo/users
