Hi Magifying ugly glass is here : http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/navtoolbar.html
and the three "+" can be seen here (Map Controls Example): http://www.openlayers.org/dev/examples/controls.html Guillaume Christopher Schmidt a écrit : > On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 02:26:02AM +0800, Jani Patokallio wrote: >> Christopher Schmidt wrote: >>> If you want to propose changes, I recommend patches be attached to a >>> ticket, with suggestions. I'm not against changing what we have, I'm >>> simply stating that I like them, and I think that anyone who says that >>> they are obviously wrong -- as you are doing, again -- is missing the >>> point. >>> >> Design is debatable, lack of usability is not -- I dare you, go ahead, >> take *anybody* unfamiliar with OL and ask them to figure out what the >> three identical [+] icons mean or how the magnifying glass with the >> red box works. > > I don't know what magnifying glass with red box you're talking about, so > I can't comment on that. When I look at > http://openlayers.org/dev/examples/lite.html , I see one "+", not three, > and it's reasonably understandable how it works, in my opinion, though > I'll admit the globe icon isn't the prettiest thing in the world. > >> Dismissing usability concerns as "personal >> preferences" is facile: it's not a personal preference if our users >> _don't understand how to use the map_, and OpenLayers should damn well >> be usable out of the box. > > I disagree with this last statement. OpenLayers is not designed to be > usable 'out of the box'. It is a library designed to help you build > applications, so it's your job as an OpenLayers user to build the box. > OpenLayers doesn't do that for you. "Out of the box", OpenLayers > provides the link above -- and the link above has none of the things > you've described. (Minus lack of tooltips, but I don't think that > they're particularly neccesary on the buttons enabled by default.) > > Am I being intentionally limiting here? Yes, I am. There's a couple > reasons for that. > > 1. I don't respond well to people yelling about anything, and > right now, your approach comes off as yelling, whether that's > intentional or not. (This is me personally, but I think it extends > to most developers; attitude is everything when communicating with > a mailing list.) > > 2. I strongly believe that the fixes for the issues you describe *are > not OpenLayers library fixes* primarily. Instead, they are > improvements to documentation and to the applications which use the > library. The things that you get when you don't configure *anything* > are demonstrated in lite.html -- anything else is configured by the > application developer. We provide some tools to make it easier, but > if you don't like it -- you can change them! > >> Incidentally, tooltips for controls seem to have been implemented since >> 2.6 (Trac #822), but apparently no default values are defined and you >> need to hand-hack the Javascript to add your own. Is there any reason >> *not* to enable tooltips by default, especially now that OpenLayers >> supports localization? If not, I'll write the patch myself. > > No reason, no. > > Best Regards, _______________________________________________ Users mailing list [email protected] http://openlayers.org/mailman/listinfo/users
