> > Moderators (and the list owner) are closer to the list management >>> than are the volunteers who... [snip] >>> >> >> ... moderators moderate. That's it. They keep the spam out. They >> >> aren't in any better position to effect change than you are. >> > > Strange that you draw that conclusion without disputing the premise: > "Moderators (and the list owner) are closer to the list management [snip]... > > Correct. I began list moderation years ago and the issue was around/inherited at the time. I can't say I'm any closer to list management than anyone else. Moderators in this case are just human spam detectors.
> > Kudos, though, to Paul for trying. I notice he got at least one >>>> "slamming" after "outing" himself. Might be why the moderators tend not to >>>> do that. >>>> >>> >>> I hope you don't think that my question to him - when he confessed to >>> just watching the seemingly endless discussions about how to fix the list, >>> because he was tired of them - was "slamming". His comment was an >>> acknowledgment that he knows there are problems but was not particularly >>> moved to do something about them. Maybe I'm a tough grader, but that does >>> not strike me as "trying", and I say that without the slightest malice; it's >>> simply a statement of fact. >>> >> >> I think you're confusing "knowing" with the ability to do something >> about it. ... I'm sure Paul has better things to do than to constantly >> >> tell people "yeah, it's broke, but we can't fix it." >> > > Absolutely true. > Actually, considering how much time this costs the list, I doubt that any > moderator has /better/ things to do than to inform the list of the status of > list management problems (insofar as he knows) and to use his proximity to > list management to advocate improvements. But again, you did not address > the premise: What I said was not a "slam". [IF you (or any moderators whom > you believe are too shy to go public) think of a civil question as a "slam", > Kipling has a poem for you.] > > I'm not shy, just tired of saying the same thing endlessly... I don't actually think there are any other moderators (we are a dying race). Good poem .... > > Paul did instruct me to check the archives to learn /why/ he was >>> not moved to do anything, but that turned out to be just another >>> waste of time, .... >>> >> At the end of the day I use the same search archives as anyone else. I know this topic is often discussed and I've made numerous comments about the limited role of the moderator (which is really a misnamed title). That doesn't mean however I can find example any easier than yourself. However I did do a search and some mail archives of interest are linked below: Original 'moderator' job posting: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?listName=users&msgNo=54585 Explaining a little more (from person who was moderator for long time): http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=85204 Further information on moderator job: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=143146 http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=195488 Further email reminding people about use of the list, how to treat unsubscribed users: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=139887 I also agree that this discussion, if people want to continue it, be moved to the 'discuss' list. I haven't received a response from those I've raised it to but will advise when/if I do. Everyone on this list has the right to raise an issue if they want something handled differently. There is a sub-component titled "openoffice.org mailing lists" to use if you want to specify an issue area. Below is a link on how to lodge issues: http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html /paul -- Pablo Picasso<http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pablo_picasso.html> - "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers."
