2010/1/1 John Jason Jordan <[email protected]>: > On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 17:19:36 +0100 > Johnny Rosenberg <[email protected]> dijo: > >>2010/1/1 Johnny Rosenberg <[email protected]>: >>> 2010/1/1 NoOp <[email protected]>: >>>> On 12/31/2009 04:13 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >>>>> 2009/12/31 NoOp <snip>: >>>>>> On 12/31/2009 11:12 AM, NoOp wrote: >>>>>>> On 12/31/2009 10:27 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: >>>>>>> ... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am on Ubuntu 8.10,by the way, I'm not sure I mentioned thatβ¦ >>>>>>>> My other machine, which is running OpenOffice.org 3.1, has >>>>>>>> Ubuntu 9.10, and no issues with FreeSans or any other (I think) >>>>>>>> fonts. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then probably JJJ has a valid point: >>>>>>> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ttf-freefont >>>>>>> Jaunty & Intrepid use ttf-freefont (20080323-3) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Download & try the 2009 version & see if that fixes the problem: >>>>>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/karmic/ttf-freefont >>>>>> Sorry, I gave you the link to the source, here is the deb: >>>>>> http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/ttf-freefont >>>>> >>>>> Okay, thanks. Seems like it was something wrong with the fonts >>>>> after all. After installing the new ones all characters are now >>>>> visible. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Johnny Rosenberg >>>> >>>> Actually you might want to thank John Jason Jordan (JJJ) as he's >>>> the one the suggested changing the font... I just led you to where >>>> it is :-) >>> >>> Well, I didn't express myself very clear, but my intention was to >>> thank everyone for contributing with ideas and testing, but of course >>> JJJ deserves an extra thank for solving my problem. Thanks again JJJ, >>> if you read this! >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> Johnny Rosenberg >>> >>> >>>> >>>> All the best & Happy New Year(s). >>>> >>>> Gary >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>>> >>> >> >>Even this new version of FreeSans seems to be incomplete. Characters >>like musical symbols doesn't show up when Bold or Italic, but FreeSans >>Normal works fine. Those characters are, among others: πππβ―βπππ >>(Hopefully they display in this email). Well, it's not an >>OpenOffice.org issue, but rather an FreeFonts issue, I guess, so my >>problem is solved anyway, in the way that I now know why this happens. > > It is not at all unusual for a font designer to include more glyphs in > the Regular version of a face than in the italic, bold, and bold-italic > fonts. > > I am testing your Β πππβ―βπππ Β glyphs with Scribus, which will not fake a > glyph. I find that none of these glyphs appear in even the Regular > version of FreeSans. That is, OOo is faking the glyphs by borrowing > them from some other font. I wish I knew how it does this, because it > drives me nuts. > > As for why OOo does this, it does it because MS Office has always done > so. And on recent versions of the MacOS the ability to substitute a > glyph from another font for a missing glyph in the font being used is > built into the operating system. Apparently users find this "feature" > useful. > > Can you post the Unicode values for the glyphs above? With the Unicode > values I can check the font in FontForge and then we'll know for sure > if the font contains the glyphs. > I don't know what operating system you are running, but in mine, Ubuntu 8.10, the character map (gucharmap) is installed by default. If you have it, just copy the character, switch to the character map, press Ctrl+f (find) and paste it there. Then hit the find button (or is it Search?), the character will be found and there is the character code.
In case you don't have it, here they are (all the musical symbols are located at U+1D100 β U+1D1FF): π β U+1D11E π β U+1D106 π β U+1D107 β― β U+266F β β U+266D π β U+1D101 π β U+1D10E π β U+1D102 Obviously β and β― are not among the musical symbols, and it was stupid of me to bring them up in my example, since they are not among those characters that disappear when switching to Bold. I actually think it's a good thing that missing characters are substituted. I think the best thing was if every character was included in every font, but I realise that it probably isn't realistic. So it's great not having to have more than one font selected in a text, even if there are a few extra sy,bols that are not in the currently selected font. Some times when I look for new exiting fonts I get very disappointed since only a few characters are included. I write most stuff in Swedish (which is my main language) and as far as I have seen, characters necessary for writing in Swedish (Γ₯Àâà ΓΓ) are missing pretty often. Now, it doesn't help much to substitute them with the same character form a different font, because they won't look right anyway, but in some cases it will work to substitute missing characters, for example those musical characters; it doesn't matter if I ise FreeMono, FreeSans or FreeSerif, a g-clef will look the same anyway. Anyway, years ago I missed those musical characters on my Ubuntu system, so I installed one called Euterpe. Since then I have had them, so I suspected that OpenOffice.org used those when needed, BUT when I switch to Euterpe, many of those characters look different compared to the FreeSans look. The g-clef, for example, is much bigger in Euterpe. It also seems like the character map substitutes missing characters, since no characters disappear when I change to FreeSans Bold. Well, that's all the information I can think of right now anyway. Regards Johnny Rosenberg --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
