On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 18:01, Andreas Saeger  wrote:
>> That they want is a _simple_ way to enter data, and then retrieve it, when 
>> needed.

> But this is exactly where the typical user fails while using a spreadsheet.


> - People do not get the idea that 90% of all spreadsheet functionality is 
> about calculating numbers.

Most of the blame here belongs on t he people who write the manuals a
nd documentation for spreadsheets.

The rest of the  blame belongs on those spreadsheet wizards ---
usually Excel, but  Visicalc, dBase, and 123 had/have their share ---
who use the spreadsheet  for writing text documents, programming, and
anything else you might want to do.(Seriously,  I've seen chess games
written within Excel.  I've

> I debugged hundreds of sheets with all kinds of errors due to _simple but 
> wrong_ usage.

That sounds like an underestimation, by several orders of magnitude.

> It is so much easier to keep simple lists in databases.

Whilst that should be true, for the average user, it isn't simpler,
because  they never learned how to create, or use a database.

Pick up any recent  (post 1995) book on databases.
* If  it covers MS Access, it _might_ provide enough instructions, for
a user to create a database,  without using any intimidating
terminology;
* If it covers any other database engine, or databases in general, the
language is intimidating;

>Since 2003 it is a flat dBase list

OOo 1.x included a dBase 3 compatible database engine.  Whenever the
issue of "does OOo include a database?" came up, the answer was
invariably  "no".

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/garryknight/linux/oodbase.html was one of
the few documents on creating dBase databases from within  OOo 1.x.
(Now wondering if that dBase compatible engine has been removed from OOo.)

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I'm writing documentation on creating and editing SQLite databases
from within OOo, for users that have a vague idea of what a
spreadsheet is, and literally no idea what a database is.  Whilst that
might sound good, the problem is that their only exposure to
spreadsheets, has been its abuse as a database.

jonathon

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