On 20/02/2006, at 1:56 PM, Rod Engelsman wrote:
Jonathon Coombes wrote:
On 20/02/2006, at 1:03 AM, JC Helary wrote:
NeoOffice is OpenOffice.org.
No.
SNIP!
Don't you think that both Mac OS X porting team and Neo team
want to get closer, to cooperate closer?
Which is exactly what is occuring now and I can assure you that
developers on either side could make without people like you who
make a useless fuss on open lists. Your claim that OOo and
NeoOffice are different is just as ridiculous as if somebody
claimed that StarOffice and OOo are different.
*rotflmao*
This is one of the best conversations I have seen in a long time
- purely
for the humour of it all. I hope Pavel continues to interact and
see how
many more people we get telling him he is an "idiot" and the
"developers"
do not need people like him involved! *lol*
Regards
Jonathon
Jonathon, would you be so kind as to quote the passage where Chad
called Pavel an "idiot"? Unless a post didn't make it to my box, I
sure couldn't find one. And he never said that Pavel shouldn't be
"involved" with the project, he was just making the point (and a
good one I think it was) that the Pavel's rather heated comments
that NeofficeJ and OpenOffice.org are not the "same thing", while
being technically correct, are also almost perfectly pointless from
the perspective of the average Mac user.
No, that was the whole point of the inverted comma's it was more an
implied phrase :)
Please show me where I mentioned that Chad was doing ALL this and was
ALL his fault?
I am talking in the general sense, as I saw another person post a
message commenting on
what appeared to be Pavel's lack of ability compared to the
developers (even though
Pavel himself is a developer - this was the whole source of the
humour :).
I think Chad has a very defensible position in this argument.
Exactly WHY does the project continue to beat this X11 horse for
the Mac port? That would be almost exactly like having a port of
OOo for Windows that is the Linux version tweaked to run under
Cygwin. Or a Linux version that is really a Windows program tweaked
to run under Wine. It makes no sense to me. Especially since the
only point of debate between the Neo and the OOo for Mac crowd
seems to be the licensing. Who cares? The only reason that OOo is
LGPL instead of GPL is so that Sun can use the code in StarOffice.
If Sun has no ambitions to release a Mac port of StarOffice then I
fail to see what's driving the conflict.
Actually there are many open source projects that are currently doing
their porting of source
in exactly this way - using cygwin under Windows etc. as you mention.
This does not make
it any less open source though. Sometimes there is a need to do
transitionary coding to
bring the whole project to a reasonable step across to the new platform.
As for why the project continues, I think Pavel's comments earlier
gave all the reasons.
As it stands, neither side can keep up with the main development of
OOo Win-Lin. I don't use a Mac, so I don't really have a dog in
this fight but from my perspective it all looks pretty silly.
The reason it looks silly (and where I get the humour) is that most
of the people who make
comments regarding the project and what it lacks, does wrong etc, are
people who either
do not use Mac's or have not even looked at the requirements and
needs of the projects
at any level other than this mailing list. This is why I find it so
funny that people such as
Chad are trying to tell Pavel where it is all going wrong and
"demanding" that their view
is the "correct" one when they have not even been involved in the
project at all.
For me, I would very much like to see one packaged OpenOffice.org for
the Mac that uses
the Mac interface, frameworks etc instead of X11, but it not just a
matter of "wishing" it to
happen. There are fundamental differences and issues with the porting
of the code and
maintaining the level of compatibility to the main source tree. I
would recommend that
anyone who has issues with their being two projects should perhaps
join the porting
project for a month or two and just see what is actually happening
and what needs to be
done to get some perspective on the whole thing.
Regards
Jonathon
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