Fred wrote:

NOT open source they can't....NOT the software its self. He can charge for including OO softwear on the sytems, setup, support, etc.

One of the constraints of FLOSS is that there are no restrictions on how one may profit from it:
* If you can make a buck selling it, you may do so;
* If you can make a buck providing support for it, you may do so;
* If you can make a buck giving it away, you can do so;
* If you can make a buck writing code for it, you may do so;
* If you can make a buck pitching you, you may do so;
* If you can make a buck disparaging it, you may do so;

The _only_ issue Roger Wu and his company may run into, in providing OOo/Firefox/Thunderbird/etc, is that doing so violates their OEM contract with Microsoft. I don't know what the current OEM contract looks like, but in the past the contract has included such gems as: * For every system shipped that does not contain a Microsoft Operating System, you will pay Microsoft $100 plus the amount of a Microsoft Operating System; * If more than 5% of your shipped systems do not contain Microsoft Office, You will pay a $150 per system, until less then 1% of your systems include Microsoft Office; * If you ship more than a specific percentage of systems that do not contain a Microsoft operating system, your OEM licence will be cancelled and all systems you shipped shall be deemed to be "pirated software";

Microsoft has continually shown that it doesn't care what government regulations are, it will throw its weight around, and the 500000 Euros per day fine is meaningless. [To be effective, that fine should be at least $5^10 per day, or have a retroactive change of licence that all software released by Microsoft, its partners, its affiliates, and its subsidiaries since 1978, be relicensed under the GNU GPL;

xan

jonathon

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