Didn't realize I was scaring people -- sorry! Anyway, I can't find anywhere in the referenced document the info about the kind of Navigator display I was (sometimes) using, where the full structure of the whole document (all headings in the master and all subdocuments) is shown. I really have no idea how this Navigator style is achieved, but it's what I need to be able to drag and create hyperlinks in the master from separate subdocs. Sometimes it's there, sometimes all I can see is a one-liner for each subdoc that lets me open it, and I can't find the magic incantation that produces the full heading structure.

I'm giving up on the master/subdoc thing altogether and flattening the structure. I know I can get the document I need that way, and it's a lot less wear and tear on my nerves!

Don't get me wrong here, basically I love OOo. The tie-in with PDF is particularly nice, like being able to create tagged PDFs so that my hyperlinks work in the viewed document. I do wish there were at least an option for the TOC to use hyperlinks, I didn't see any way so I'm creating my own.

----- Original Message ----- From: "TerryJ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [users] When is a Writer Save NOT a Save?



It seems everyone is too scared to reply. I hardly use Writer but I created a master document and subdocuments using 1.1.14 about 19 months ago without
a problem.

The problems may be new.  One thing I can tell you is that there is a
specific Help document - described as "Ch13 - Working with Master Documents"
on this page:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/index.html


Barbara Duprey wrote:

I could add a few more chapters to the book I wrote in my earlier message,
but at the moment I'm tired of writing (and rewriting, and...).

The response to my original question appears to be "... when you appear to
be editing a subdocument from within the context of a master document."
From
the symptoms I've seen, the only way for your edits to survive this
process
unscathed is for you to avoid doing a Save when the title bar is showing
the
subdocument without displaying the actual file name (with the .odt
extension). Instead, do a Save As that identifies the subdocument file
itself. Otherwise, the changes seem to vanish into limbo. After following
the other discussions here about not cleaning out temp files while a
document is open for editing, I tried searching my whole hard disk for
files
containing some identifiable text, but had no luck at all.

In my opinion, this is a VERYdangerous situation. It certainly caused me a
lot of grief and rework, and I'd hate to see this happen to anybody else.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Duprey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Open Office" <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 7:11 PM
Subject: [users] Fw: When is a Writer Save NOT a Save?


Oops - forgot to mention I'm using version 2.0.4 on a WinXP system.

----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Duprey
To: Open Office
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2007 6:31 PM
Subject: When is a Writer Save NOT a Save?


OK, I'm officially going crazy now. I constructed a document (master and
four subdocs), and everything was going great. I typically left the master
open with all the components showing their headings, and editable, saving
frequently. Sometimes I'd close it, and come back later (like after
software
installs). When I opened it again, and allowed the links to update,
everything would be fine.

When the document was in near-final shape (let's call this point A), I
made
a bunch of organizational changes (inserting subheads, etc., in some of
the
subdocs) and reset the TOC. Everything was still fine (point B). Hadn't
closed the file.

Then I added a new section (several pages) and made a few more minor
changes. This time, I thought I'd make use of the versioning capability,
so
I saved the version (point C), and closed the file.

Ever since then, it seems that no matter what I do all I can retrieve is
the
document at point A, but with the TOC of point B. This is also what I get
when I open version C. Not only did I lose a lot of work, but changes I
make
now have NO EFFECT. Well, copying the whole document into a new document
with a different name (saved as odt), adding a subhead, closing, and
reopening without the link update, the change is still there, and the
heading shows and works in the Navigator. But as soon as I open with link
update (which is apparently necessary in a master/subdoc to see the whole
structure in Navigator), I'm back to the point A/B hybrid. I tried various saves, from the original and the copy, and various combinations of opening
from recent files, closing files, closing Writer, opening from disk.
Always
get A/B.

How did I create this situation? How can I get out of it?



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