2007/11/13, Datatude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On 2007-11-12 12:52 PM, Ross Bernheim wrote: > > > > On Nov 11, 2007, at 7:18, Datatude wrote: > > > >> > >> And if you're not familiar with the X11 environment but are familiar > >> with Macs, you may have some serious issues using OOo in X11. For > >> instance, keystroke combos use Ctrl instead of Cmd, and you will not > >> be able to copy/paste text between OOo and other applications that > >> run outside of the X11 "shell" (or whatever it is). > >> > >> So you also have two other choices: > >> > >> try the early release (it's only an Alpha, so be careful, but I can > >> say I use it myself without too much trouble) of OOo for Aqua > >> (available from the Download pages), or download and try NeoOffice > >> 2.2, which has been in release for a good while now and does run as > >> an Aqua application. > >> > >> In my experience, trying to be productive with an application that > >> runs in X11 on a Mac is nearly impossible, most especially because of > >> the copy-paste issues, the non-Mac file dialogs, and the keystroke > >> confusions. > >> > >> kazar > > > > You will be able to copy/paste between OOo and other applications that > > run outside the X11 window manager. Control +"c" > > and use the Cmd + "v" in the Mac application. Works fine. I just > > checked under Leopard. It worked fine under 10.3 and 10.4 as well. > > > Did you try to copy from another application and paste into OOo under > X11? At least on my computer (OS X 10.4.10, OOo 2.3/X11) this does not > work. And even if it did, why put one's brain into contortions to > remember to use Cmd combos under all applications except for OOo when > one must use Ctrl? IMO it is a mistake to point Mac-based > newcomers/average end-users to the X11 app, which is just a completely > unfamiliar and uncomfortable environment. I have seen my clients trying > to use it, and they do not feel confident, even when trying to figure > out how to navigate, for example, in a File/Open dialog. Switched them > to NeoOffice and they are very happy and comfortable. And, am eagerly > awaiting the Aqua release of OOo. > > NeoOffice is, after all, a derivative project of OOo, specifically for > Mac users who want to use their open document office suite on Mac and to > have it feel much more like a native application. > > kazar
Hello Kazar, I use the 'native' Apple combos in OOo under X11, just like in any other program on my Mac. It's true that when I copy a link or part of a mail off the users list into a OOo Calc file, I have to use Ctrl-v... Is it too much for your clients to 'memorize' this difference? The cliché image of Mac users is that they are inventive, creative, flexible, and intelligent... I'm also looking forward to a stable Aqua version of OOo. One way to help this come about, is to contribute to the porting efforts of the Mac team at OOo. One thing the NeoOffice does, is NOT contributing in any way to this effort. If you, or your clients, use NO and you report a problem or a bug to NO's bugzilla, this information just keeps stuck there. The NO team clearly states that they will only look into specific NO problems. If it's a problem with the code they borrow from OOo, then they just say to their users "sorry, but that's not our business... all you can do is hope that OOo will solve this in the next release". It smells a bit like those not-so-bonafide vendors of OOo look-a-likes that boast 6 months support when they sell you the program for 50$ and... the support you get is from this users' list. All in all, I don't have serious problems with X11 and I intend to continue using OOo with X11 and the Aqua X11 alphas and betas, hoping I can contribute a little bit to the arrival of an open source office suite with a mac feel. I have looked into NO, installed it on my iMac (and got my file attributions changed all of a sudden), looked into the wiki, forum and website (and saw some pretty ugly comments on OOo). All in all, I wasn't impressed by the famous 'mac-likeness' of NO, no. I understand that your clients want 'easy solutions', no tinkering etc. Maybe you can propose them to make some donation at the OOo website, so they contribute without too much sweat. NHF -- Guy using dutch OOo 2.3 m221 on a iMac Intel DualCore Tiger and brazilian OOo 2.3 RC 3 on a G4 PPC Powerbook Tiger -- please reply only to [email protected] -- Dodoes can't afford to have headaches
