On 11/04/2008 17:22, Scott Meyers wrote:
Harold Fuchs wrote:
1. How on earth do you keep track of all those humongous pass phrases?

I use a program called Roboform (http://www.roboform.com/). I choose the phrases for each site (or have it choose one for me), it does the remembering.
So if anyone hacks your PC [or USB key] with Roboform [portable] on it they have *all* your passwords. Hmmmmm. Or if the database crashes you have *none* of your passwords. Hmmmmm.

2. Why do you consider it necessary to use >32 [non-alphanumeric] characters
to protect something as trivial as access to a public web forum? Bank
accounts, yes; public web forums, ?????

Mostly it's a matter of trying to follow good habits. If a site feels that a password is important enough to require, I feel that it's my job to choose one that's not too easy to guess.
"Not too easy to guess" ... Who is going to try to guess your password to a public web forum? Why would anyone bother? And if somebody did, so what? Why not just publish your password and then nobody can claim they have evidence you said something rude because you can retort that anybody could have said it in your stead.

So I have a simple rule: always include at least one space. That way I know that no dictionary-based attack can succeed.
Sorry to be blunt but that's complete balderdash. Any half way decent dictionary attack will know phrases as well as just words. It will also know words with spaces (and/or other characters) interpolated within them - even Windows allows spaces in its passwords ("This is a fairly long password" is legal, for example). Crackers using dictionary attacks, like Crack or L0pht (aka LC5) are fully aware of this. Most crackers, even basic ones, are not *only* simple dictionary attacks. Most also include algorithms for making common substitutions (zero for letter O, digit 1 for letter ell etc.), for combining upper and lower case in all combinations for each "guess" and for interpolating "odd" characters.


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Harold Fuchs
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