On 16/06/2008 12:35, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 16 June 2008, Harold Fuchs wrote:
2008/6/16 Gene Heskett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
On Sunday 15 June 2008, Harold Fuchs wrote:
On 15/06/2008 15:16, Gene Heskett wrote:
On Saturday 14 June 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i would like to get open office on my computer how do i get it
<http:openoffice.org>
The download is free, and can be installed on as many machines as you
like, or copied and given away. Anyone who wants to charge you for it,
you are not on the correct downloading site.
To Gene Heskett: you responded to a poster who is not subscribed. If you
do not include such a poster's email address *explicitly* in the To: or
cc: list of your reply the poster will not see your message unless,
which seems unlikely, s/he is reading this list via a different e-mail
address or via a News group such as Gmane's.
Is kmail loosing its mind, or am I. First I can't seem to get it to
remember
that any replies I send to THIS list are supposed to go through gmail, not
verizon. And apparently it also doesn't do me any good to hit the
reply-all
button either.
Thanks Harold.
Gene,
I'm not 100% sure but I don't think the mail system makes any difference. A
message from a non-subscribed poster (and only such a message) will contain
a second "Delivered-To:" header saying "moderator for [email protected]".
Some mail readers - Thunderbird is the one I know most about - will let you
filter on that header/value and "tag" relevant messages in some way that you
can easily see. This makes life easier but in any case I think you have
explicitly to include the poster's address for the poster to see your reply.
I don't believe Reply All works although, as Larry Gusaas says there has
been debate on this topic; it certainly doesn't work in Thunderbird, in
Outlook Express or in Gmail's web interface.
This is using pop3 both ways here, regardless of what server I post through. I
detest these so-called web mail lashups for a number of reasons, the inability
to turn off html in most of them being #1.
What did you do, in sending me a private message, to cause kmail to send this
reply to the list rather than back to you? That doesn't seem to be the correct
response either.
Thanks Harold.
Gene, all I did was use my usual "reply" (*not* reply-all) to your
message. I just assumed it would go to [email protected] as usual.
However, your question caused me to look at the headers of your message.
I think the "problem" arises from the fact that your message does *not*
have a Reply-To header and therefore, following RFC 822 [1], my mailer
sent my reply to the From address - "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". I'm
talking about your message "GmailId11a8fb595c65bfa7" sent Sun, 15 Jun
2008 21:50:20 -0700 (PDT).
So either your mailer failed to insert the Reply-To header or the list
management software screwed up or my mail system (Googlemail) lost the
Reply-To header.
I also note that your message was cc'd to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Was that deliberate on your part or did
your mailer do that automagically?
Note too that *this* message is not going to you personally but to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] even though I followed the same procedure - I just Reply'd to
a message from you to the list. That message does have a Reply-To header.
[1] From RFC 822:
- If the "Reply-To" field exists, then the reply should go to the
addresses indicated in that field and not to the address(es) indicated
in the "From" field.
- If there is a "From" field, but no "Reply-To" field, the reply should
be sent to the address(es) indicated in the "From" field.
The headers from your message follow. Note that the text below is
copy/pasted from Googlemail's *web* interface and not from my mailer
(Thunderbird). Therefore I don't think the lack of a Reply-To header is
an artefact of anything at my end:
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Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.90.115.17 with SMTP id n17mr6335045agc.57.1213591820762;
Sun, 15 Jun 2008 21:50:20 -0700 (PDT)
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com
[209.85.132.240])
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [users] [moderated]
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 00:50:16 -0400
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Harold Fuchs
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