On Mon, Jan 8, 2018 at 11:52 PM, Sam McLeod <mailingli...@smcleod.net>
wrote:

> Hi Yaniv,
>
> Thanks for your detailed reply, it's very much appreciated.
>
> On 5 Jan 2018, at 8:34 pm, Yaniv Kaul <yk...@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Indeed, greenfield deployment has its advantages.
>
>>
>> The down side to that is juggling iSCSI LUNs, I'll have to migrate VMs on
>> XenServer off one LUN at a time, remove that LUN from XenServer and add it
>> to oVirt as new storage, and continue - but if it's what has to be done,
>> we'll do it.
>>
>
> The migration of VMs has three parts:
> - VM configuration data (from name to number of CPUs, memory, etc.)
>
>
> That's not too much of an issue for us, we have a pretty standard set of
> configuration for performance / sizing.
>
> - Data - the disks themselves.
>
>
> This is the big one, for most hosts at least the data is on a dedicated
> logical volume, for example if it's postgresql, it would be LUKS on top of
> a logical volume for /var/lib/pgsql etc....
>
> - Adjusting VM internal data (paths, boot kernel, grub?, etc.)
>
>
> Everything is currently PVHVM which uses standard grub2, you could
> literally dd any one of our VMs to a physical disk and boot it in any
> x86/64 machine.
>
> The first item could be automated. Unfortunately, it was a bit of a
> challenge to find a common automation platform. For example, we have great
> Ansible support, which I could not find for XenServer (but[1], which may be
> a bit limited). Perhaps if there aren't too many VMs, this could be done
> manually. If you use Foreman, btw, then it could probably be used for both
> to provision?
> The 2nd - data movement could be done in at least two-three ways:
> 1. Copy using 'dd' from LUN/LV/raw/? to a raw volume in oVirt.
> 2. (My preferred option), copy using 'dd' from LUN/LV/raw and upload using
> the oVirt upload API (example in Python[2]). I think that's an easy to
> implement option and provides the flexibility to copy from pretty much any
> source to oVirt.
>
>
> A key thing here would be how quickly the oVirt API can ingest the data,
> our storage LUNs are 100% SSD each LUN can easily provide at least 1000MB/s
> and around 2M 4k write IOP/s and 2-4M 4k read IOP/s so we always find
> hypervisors disk virtualisation mechanisms to be the bottleneck - but
> adding an API to the mix, especially one that is single threaded (if that
> does the data stream processing) could be a big performance problem.
>

Well, it's just for the data copy. We can do ~300 or so MBps in a single
upload API call, but you can copy multiple disks via multiple hypervisors
in parallel. In addition, if you are using 'dd' you might even be able to
use sg_xcopy (if it's the same storage) - worth looking into it.
In any case, we have concrete plans to improve the performance of the
upload API.

>
> 3. There are ways to convert XVA to qcow2 - I saw some references on the
> Internet, never tried any.
>
>
> This is something I was thinking of potentially doing, I can actually
> export each VM as an OVF/OVA package - since that's very standard I'm
> assuming oVirt can likely import them and convert to qcow2 or raw/LVM?
>

Well, in theory, OVF/OVA is a standard. In practice, it's far from it - it
defines how the XML should look and what it contains, but a VMware
para-virtual NIC is not a para-virtual Xen NIC is not an oVirt
para-virtual NIC, so the fact it describes a NIC means nothing when it
comes to cross-platform compatibility.


>
> As for the last item, I'm really not sure what changes are needed, if at
> all. I don't know the disk convention, for example (/dev/sd* for SCSI disk
> -> virtio-scsi, but are there are other device types?)
>
>
> Xen's virtual disks are all /dev/xvd[a-z]
> Thankfully, we partition everything as LVM and partitions (other than boot
> I think) are mounted as such.
>

And there's nothing that needs to address such path as /dev/xvd* ?
Y.



>
>
> I'd be happy to help with any adjustment needed for the Python script
> below.
>
>
> Very much appreciated, when I get to the point where I'm happy with the
> basic architectural design and POC deployment of oVirt - that's when I'll
> be testing importing VMs / data in various ways and have made note of these
> scripts.
>
>
> Y.
>
> [1] http://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/xenserver_facts_module.html
> [2] https://github.com/oVirt/ovirt-engine-sdk/blob/master/sd
> k/examples/upload_disk.py
>
>
>
>
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