Thanks a lot for your help.

Have a good weekend

I am afraid that I am not going to get an answer...

Le sam. 17 déc. 2022, 14:47, Tilman Hausherr <thaush...@t-online.de> a
écrit :

> I thought the visual / non visual signature isn't the problem, that there
> is some unknown difference between what you use for the second signature
> and what I use, but then...
>
> It just got weirder! I reopened the file I mentioned in my last post and
> now it looks like this:
>
> This is definitively some Adobe weirdness. You should report it there.
> Alternatively / Additionally, try asking on stackoverflow or related site
> if anybody has an idea what happened.
>
> Tilman
>
> On 17.12.2022 13:51, Frédéric Ravetier wrote:
>
> Thanks again.
>
> Yes sorry, the test is not exactly the same, because our tool is now using
> visual signature. If necessary I can change the code to have invisible
> signature...
>
> What can I do to go forward or help or...?
>
> Le sam. 17 déc. 2022, 13:43, Tilman Hausherr <thaush...@t-online.de> a
> écrit :
>
>> Thanks for trying this. This time the first signature is a visual
>> signature. The stamp annotation object is 129, and my analysis is the same:
>> that object was never provided in another incremental save, so I don't know
>> why Adobe claims it was changed.
>>
>> And it gets weirder:
>> I used NOTEPAD++ to get the previous revision of your last document. Then
>> I signed that one with PDFBox example (latest 3.0 snapshot) and I don't
>> have the effect you mention, only a complaint that my signature is
>> self-certified.
>>
>>
>> Tilman
>>
>> On 17.12.2022 12:54, Frédéric Ravetier wrote:
>>
>> So I tried again with a PDF without a signature.
>> I switch the jar on the tool that sign the PDF to use the snapshot
>> I send the pdf to the tool to have a first signature
>> I used my java program to add an annotation
>> I send again the pdf to the tool for a second signature
>>
>> I still have the same behavior :(.
>> This is the final PDF 
>> :https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CV7lJ8dY1gDcx3rgHoW5yHJ612JSAK9B/view?usp=share_link
>>
>>
>> Le sam. 17 déc. 2022 à 12:27, Frédéric Ravetier <fravet...@vikta.com> 
>> <fravet...@vikta.com> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>
>> OK so my test was useless. I will try again
>>
>> Le sam. 17 déc. 2022, 11:30, Tilman Hausherr <thaush...@t-online.de> 
>> <thaush...@t-online.de> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>
>> On 17.12.2022 11:19, Frédéric Ravetier wrote:
>>
>> Maybe I did not understand well.
>>
>> Should I use the snapshot version before the first signature ?
>>
>> You should use the snapshot to create the first signature, that's what I
>> meant.
>>
>> My hope is that this Adobe behavior is related to that bug.
>>
>> No, the bug fix does not help with a document that already has that
>> signature.
>>
>> Tilman
>>
>>
>>
>> Or the goal of the bug fix is to manage a document that contains this
>>
>> kind
>>
>> of initial signature which is invisible ? (which was my test, so it
>>
>> means
>>
>> the bug is not fix, or I did not test it correctly or this is another
>>
>> use
>>
>> case)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Fred
>>
>>
>>
>> Le sam. 17 déc. 2022 à 05:16, Tilman Hausherr <thaush...@t-online.de> 
>> <thaush...@t-online.de> a
>> écrit :
>>
>>
>> That new PDF also has that the initial signature does not appear in the
>> page annotations (which was the bug fixed in the issue).
>>
>> Tilman
>>
>> On 16.12.2022 20:56, Frédéric Ravetier wrote:
>>
>> I tried to switch the jar on the environment where there is the
>>
>> application
>>
>> that sign the PDF in order to use the snapshot.
>> Here the pdf I got :
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1zwV0i3SCQrqxRICpVWhbR09Of2FD0Ur7/view?usp=sharing
>>
>> But it looks the same in acrobat :(.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Fred
>>
>> Le ven. 16 déc. 2022 à 13:19, Frédéric Ravetier <fravet...@vikta.com> 
>> <fravet...@vikta.com>
>>
>> a
>>
>> écrit :
>>
>>
>> I read the issue too quickly.
>> The problem is on DSS side, and the jar file should be modified on my
>> provider side. I will see if we can perform this test on a dev
>>
>> environment.
>>
>> Le ven. 16 déc. 2022 à 13:06, Tilman Hausherr <thaush...@t-online.de> 
>> <thaush...@t-online.de>
>>
>> a
>>
>> écrit :
>>
>>
>> On 16.12.2022 12:59, Frédéric Ravetier wrote:
>>
>> Good idea, I can try to use the latest snapshot jar. Is there a
>> snapshot build (jar) available?
>>
>> https://repository.apache.org/content/groups/snapshots/org/apache/pdfbox/pdfbox-app/2.0.28-SNAPSHOT/
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