Thank you very much Paul Tiseo. I think that's a very good point, and I can think of many scenarios where a well written installer could greatly benefit both individuals and organisations.
For computer enthusiasts, developers, or IT departments, they may prefer manual setup so they can tailor their deployments exactly the way they want, which is well and good. Having an installer does not preclude this option. On the other hand, the existence of an installer opens up SOGo to a wider variety of people. I think it is legitimate and reasonable for someone to want a great groupware solution like SOGo, but not have to set it up manually. For "light" and small scale deployments, such as organisations with just a few people or even a home server, an installer that let's you set and forget can be very useful and time saving. This way people can focus on what they really need and want to do. Having thought about this more, and with the greatest respect to all SOGo developers, I would like to suggest again the implementation of a step by step installer. In fact, if possible I would be willing to make a donation just for this goal. Is there a crowd funding mechanism like Kickstarter that allows this? On 7 April 2012 10:54, Paul Tiseo <[email protected]> wrote: > Actually, it is a very good idea, but you are fighting the tide of the > average Linux developer who sees installing as a badge of awesomeness, and > complexity as a way of life. When you've got both, it's nerdvana, right? > > iRedMail is a good example of what a professionally-minded installation > should be. Really enjoyed the fact that I could get a good install and get > on to project nb. 2 pretty quickly, rather than the usual spiritual trek > that a Linux software install can be. > > Look, sysadmins are busy. A good installer is *always very* appreciated. > Could I do it? Yes. Would I like to have it done for me? Yes too. And, the > fact that some people may install sometimes in weird ways doesn't mean the > project can't properly cater to the "99%". > > My 2 cents... > > _________________________________ > PAUL TISEO, President > Metacode Studios, Inc. > [email protected] > (904) 382-5704 (cell) > > On 4/5/2012 3:48 PM, Advrk Aplmrkt wrote: > > I am sorry I brought this up, and apologise for my ignorance. Let's move on. > :) > > On 5 April 2012 14:55, Sebastian Reitenbach > <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Thursday, April 5, 2012 01:18 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt <[email protected]> > wrote: > > OK, I will try the ZEG and go from there. > > " > > So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have > the time and expertise?" > > Funny you asked. I actually DON'T have a driver's licence for that > exact reason. :) (but don't worry, I don't drive) > > Good to know then ;) > > I was just thinking that a web based installer would make installation > easier for both experts and novices, and not just me. > > Lets pick an example of a web installer: SugarCRM, there the > installer/upgrader is a real mess, OK its easy, but it requires the admin to > have all files/directories writable by the UID running Apache, ask yourself, > how sane is that? > That's the same problem nearly any web based installers have. Or do you run > your apache as root? Hope not ;) > And for example, I run SOGo on OpenBSD, where Apache is chrooted by default, > so it would be impossible to use a web based installer to get SOGo installed > in "normal" system locations. > > cheers, > Sebastian > > Thank you for all of your replies. Really appreciate the quick > responses in this forum. > > On 4 April 2012 14:14, Steve Ankeny <[email protected]> wrote: > > Why not simply try one of the ZEGs found here? > > http://www.sogo.nu/english/downloads/zeg.html > > v2.0.0 beta 5 should be updated to a release candidate soon. > > The advantage: IT'S PRE-CONFIGURED! and you can try it before you take the > time to learn how to install. > > Simply create a virtual machine somewhere on your server of choice, and > import the ZEG file. Most of the changes you may want to make can be done > via Webmin, or you can ask questions on the userlist or ask Inverse. > > Works great! and virtualization costs so little when you have existing > server space. > > > On 4/4/2012 1:53 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote: > > On Wednesday, April 4, 2012 02:32 CEST, Advrk Aplmrkt<[email protected]> > wrote: > > Hello, > > I am wondering if an easier method could be developed for installing > SOGo? Two examples: > > (1) Including a web installer, such as the PHP based installer for > RoundCube (http://trac.roundcube.net/wiki/Howto_Install). This way, an > administrator could unpack SOGo onto their web server, type in an URL, > and follow the installation wizard. > > (2) Install via a Webmin module. I realise there is a Webmin module > for SOGo, but could it be used to *install* SOGo in the first place > from scratch? If so, I would really like to know. It not, what can be > done to make the module as an installer for SOGo? > > Will any of these features, or any changes to make installation > easier, be incorporated into the upcoming SOGo 2? By the way, is there > a release date (or at least rough estimate) for SOGo 2? > > I ask these questions because I am trying to setup SOGo on my personal > server, but don't have the time or expertise to learn everything about > LDAP, SQL databases, Postfix, IMAP, etc. etc. But SOGo provides the > best functionality, and there is no other groupware that I find > comparable... > > So you also drive a car without a drivers license because you don't have > the time and expertise? > > Well, you don't need to be an expert to setup all the stuff. It only takes > a couple of days to learn > the basics of each to figure out how they play together. Think about it > for a minute, afterwards, > you will know what to backup, and how to restore, in case of a disaster. > You already thought > about something like this happen, don't you? > > cheers, > Sebastian > > Thank you very much. -- [email protected] https://inverse.ca/sogo/lists
