On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:49:04PM +0200, Szládovics Péter wrote:
> 2013-08-21 23:21 keltezéssel, Jan-Frode Myklebust írta:
> >On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 01:23:45PM +0200, Szládovics Péter wrote:
> >>SOGo is not a mailserver. SOGo just an groupware extension for _any_
> >>mailserver backend.
> >>So, the question is not the antivirus and antispam for SOGo. The
> >>question is antivirus and antispam for mailserver.
> >Antispam has a place in SOGo too. I'd like to have an interface for the
> >users to select how strict the spam-filter should be by integrating
> >with sieve-spamtest/rfc5235.
> >
> >Maybe a "block sender" function, that pushes out a sieve script to the
> >server to drop/move-to-Spam messages from a given sender.
> >
> >Also it would be nice if the SOGo webinterface had a Spam/not-spam
> >button that would move messages to/from the Spam-folder. This could be
> >used by http://wiki2.dovecot.org/Plugins/Antispam to train the filter.
> 
> Block senders?
> How many senders need to block for correct spam filtering.
> One node of one zombie network sends about 100 thousand spam emails
> per day with randomly generated senders. Are you sure, you can
> stopped them with this feature? I don't think so.

Blocking sender is a helpfull feature against other kinds of spam than
zombie networks.. F.ex. real businesses that picked up your email
address during a website registration, and thinks that that's an
invitation to be put on their advertising list.

> Example.
> My mail host gets about 250-300 clean, real mails per day (total
> incoming mail traffic is about 2000 mails/day - yes, 80-90% of them
> are absolutely spam).

We deliver about 500.000 supposedly clean mails/day to our users
inboxes, after virus/spam/greylisting/etc has done it's thing.

> The SA drops 5-10 mails into the quarantine per day (newsletters,
> advertisements, badly formatted mail contents - really spams, very
> rarely few false positive good mails).

On our scale, managing a single quarantine doesn't really work, so we
rather deliver the suspect messages to the users Spam-folder and give
them an opportunity to check for false positives.

> All of others are back off to senders.

Be careful with that, so you don't get on the backscatter lists..

> 
> The successful fight with spams there is at the gate, not at the mailbox.

At the gate we can do general filtering, but we can't train a general
filter to suit 100K's of users. A spam-filter individually trained (and
customized) by each user can be much more effective. Training can be
done by moving messages to/from Spam-folders, customisations can include
blocking senders, or tuning spam-score.



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