On 01/03/18 19:04, John Hardin wrote:
On Thu, 1 Mar 2018, Sebastian Arcus wrote:
I know I have brought up this issue on this list before, and sorry for
the persistence, but having 7 different rules adding scores for the
IADB whitelist still seems either ridiculous, or outright suspect:
-0.2 RCVD_IN_IADB_RDNS RBL: IADB: Sender has reverse DNS record
[18.104.22.168 listed in iadb.isipp.com]
-0.1 RCVD_IN_IADB_SPF RBL: IADB: Sender publishes SPF record
-0.1 RCVD_IN_IADB_OPTIN RBL: IADB: All mailing list mail is opt-in
-0.0 RCVD_IN_IADB_SENDERID RBL: IADB: Sender publishes Sender ID record
-0.0 RCVD_IN_IADB_LISTED RBL: Participates in the IADB system
-0.1 RCVD_IN_IADB_DK RBL: IADB: Sender publishes Domain Keys
-0.1 RCVD_IN_IADB_VOUCHED RBL: ISIPP IADB lists as vouched-for sender
It really raises some very uncomfortable questions regarding the
impartiality of SA and/or its anti-spam capabilities. And by the way,
this message is definitely unsolicited, and in now way we gave any
sort of permission or consent to this company or its "affiliates" to
email us - so the whole "All mailing list mail is opt-in" is nonsense.
And why have "Sender has reverse DNS record" and "Sender publishes SPF
record" as separate IADB rules - when SA itself already checks for
these? Isn't this just a glaring way of pumping up SA scores for the
Don't assume malice right off the bat. More likely it is that IADB
provides all those status codes and SA exposes a rule for each, with
minimal scores, to allow local tuning if desired.
But why does SA have to expose a rule for each and every code IADB
provides? SA is an antispam solution, IADB is a facilitator for the
marketing industry (in spite of their continuous protestations on this
list). The goals of the two are not the same. Surely SA can decide by
itself what is really useful from a spam filtering point of view - not
churn out whatever it gets passed by marketing whitelists? SA uses other
whitelists (some may I say a lot more useful than IADB), and it only
exposes one or two rules for each.
Also, there is RCVD_IN_IADB_DOPTIN, so RCVD_IN_IADB_OPTIN may be
"someone somehow gave us your name somewhere" (i.e. "single opt-in")
rather than "we confirmed you actually want to receive our garbage"
So effectively pretty useless, as if you ever made the mistake of
forgetting to untick the "receive email from our carefully selected
partners" in the past, you will never be able to take that consent back
as your email address gets passed from entity to entity. Consent to be
emailed marketing material is a joke - and SA shouldn't be a facilitator
- otherwise its value as a spam filter is gone.
The scores appear hardcoded (50_scores.cf) vs. from masscheck
(72_scores.cf) so they may be *very* stale.
In that case maybe at least some of the rules should be removed then