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On 2 Aug 2020, 17:02, Bill Cole < [email protected]> 
wrote:

> if you want to authenticate email, ...

The helo is a necessary, but not sufficient criteria for authentication. I use 
them all, up to dane. However, they all fail with those two senders, because 
they do not implement them, and they send mail from an IP whose rDNS is that of 
the ISP. Authenticating the source in this case reduces to cheching the sending 
IP against those from known valid e-mails, as well all rfc compliance as 
evidence of some degree of home work from their side. I am talking about a bank 
and an accountancy firm, and I resent having to do this.

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