On 04.01.2018 14:01, Mark Thomas wrote:
On 04/01/18 11:31, Marek Czernek wrote:
Hi Mark,
I think this is a great idea. Before doing any brainstorming though, I
wonder about the following:
1. Who'd be the target audience? And what skill level would you want to
target? Any pre-requisites?
The short version is whatever the Tomcat community (i.e. the members of
this list) would find most useful. Possible examples that come to mind are:
- an introductory course for an experienced sysadmin that knows nothing
about Tomcat
Suggestion : explain to an experienced sysadmin who knows nothing about Tomcat or Java
(but a lot about system utilities etc) how to set up a coherent and easy-to-manage logging
system for tomcat (and applications therein), including (safe) log rotation, archiving,
cleanup etc.
- in depth trouble-shooting
But rather than just my random ideas, I'd love to hear what the
community wants.
2. Should it be purely Tomcat, or do you want to talk about various
frameworks that integrate with Tomcat in some manner? (Hibernate
comes to mind, for example)
This is is easy. Purely Tomcat.
3. What goals would you like to achieve? I.e., would you want to create
a course for a community and potential future contributors, or would
your goal be a course for experts to get things done asap? Imho
those two goals require different approaches. If the answer is
'both', that could be sub-optimal (though understandable). Or do you
imagine completely different goal(s)?
My original thinking was training for end users of any/all levels.
However, if there was interest we could add some modules on how to
become a contributor, committer, PMC member etc.
My main question is 'WHY'. What is the hole we're trying to fill in. Do
you want people to have quick yet quite deep understanding of basic
concepts and fundamentals? Do you want people to be more excited about
Tomcat? Do you want to shed light on an obscure integration pattern that
is highly useful? Do you want to create a certification that would be
beneficial for job interviews? Some of the answers might be
complimentary, but a lot of them are almost opposite to each other, imho.
Why? Because I think that there is a community demand for this. I once
ran a Tomcat training course at ApacheCon for which I did ZERO marketing
(the only marketing was that it was listed as an option when registering
- and an expensive option at that) and ~15 people signed up.
I want to help people understand how to use Tomcat. Hopefully, a
side-effect will be that even more great people show up here.
I'm not interested in creating a certification or anything similar.
HTH explain my thinking.
Mark
On 01/04/2018 11:16 AM, Mark Thomas wrote:
Hi,
One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat
training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e.
material that would be made freely available for folks to use.
I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as well
as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material
face to face.
The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in
length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different needs.
e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an
'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to
provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc.
I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the
various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my
employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now
possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses.
I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am
reaching out to the community for help.
The first step is to come with:
- a list of modules
- potential courses formed from combinations of modules
I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of
modules that could make up those courses.
We have a blank wiki page to host this:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course
Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an
account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or
add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page.
The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content.
As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat
training course in late March / early April using this material. My
current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per
person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are:
- Cardiff
- Birmingham
- Manchester
- Glasgow
(all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and
beyond)
My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable
and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll take
this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to book.
I look forward to all your ideas.
Mark
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