On 25/01/18 12:08, Alex O'Ree wrote:
> Understanding web.xml
> 
> Understanding webapps without web.xml
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> Security, authn and authz, ldap setups
> 
> fIle system permissions

Thanks. I've added those topics to the list of modules where I
(currently) think they fit best. Stuff may bget moved around as we start
writing these modules and have a better idea of how much material is in
each one.

Mark


> 
> On Jan 25, 2018 6:04 AM, "Mark Thomas" <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 08/01/18 09:39, Mark Thomas wrote:
>>> On 05/01/18 22:09, Don Flinn wrote:
>>>> Hi Mark,
>>>>
>>>> I think this is an excellent and useful task. The first step is to
>> define
>>>> the audiences of which I would like to suggest five.
>>>>
>>>> 1. Experienced System administrators with experience in security and SSL
>>>> 2. Experienced System administrators with no or little experience in
>>>> security and SSL
>>>> 3  Non system administrators with  experience in security and SSL
>>>> 4. Non system administrators with  no or little experience in security
>> and
>>>> SSL
>>>> 5. Overarching each of the above is the different CAs that might be used
>>>
>>> You could probably break down the audience in a similar manner for most
>>> of the Tomcat topics.
>>>
>>>> A question would be are audiences 3 and 4 populated.  I for one fall
>>>> somewhere between 3 and 4, but maybe I'm the only one.  It seems to me
>> that
>>>> small companies would fall into 3 and 4.  A big further complication is
>>>> item 5, which applies to each of the others.
>>>
>>> Indeed. The general idea would be to write material that covers all of
>>> these and then adjust what is actually taught to the particular audience.
>>>
>>>> I wrote a short write-up to this site about a month age addressing
>>>> audiences 2, 3 and 4, mostly 4 and was told that this was not what was
>>>> wanted, that all the information was somewhere on the web.  That is true
>>>> but trying to find it, absorb and apply it is difficult.
>>>
>>> We do try and keep the docs succinct and direct users elsewhere for
>>> background. I remember that write up - it is similar to the content of
>>> the intro to TLS presentation I have given previously. It is the sort of
>>> content we would want to include in the training course.
>>>
>>> More generally, I'm updating the wiki with the suggestions as I spot
>>> them on the mailing list. Please do keep the suggestions coming and ping
>>> me if I miss something.
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Don
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 4, 2018 at 5:16 AM, Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the things on my TODO list is to put together some Tomcat
>>>>> training material licensed under the Apache License (version 2). i.e.
>>>>> material that would be made freely available for folks to use.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd also like to make the training material available on YouTube as
>> well
>>>>> as run some training courses (for a small fee) to deliver the material
>>>>> face to face.
>>>>>
>>>>> The structure I have in mind is a series of modules (say 30 mins in
>>>>> length) that can be organised in different ways to suit different
>> needs.
>>>>> e.g. put the introductory modules for each area together to provide an
>>>>> 'Introduction to Tomcat course', put all the TLS modules together to
>>>>> provide an in depth 'Tomcat and TLS' course etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think a lot of the raw content is already available. We have the
>>>>> various Tomcat presentations that have been given over the years and my
>>>>> employer has agreed to let me make use of the material from our (now
>>>>> possibly a little dated) Tomcat training courses.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't do this alone. Not in any reasonable time frame anyway. So I am
>>>>> reaching out to the community for help.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first step is to come with:
>>>>> - a list of modules
>>>>> - potential courses formed from combinations of modules
>>>>>
>>>>> I am asking for your ideas for modules, courses and combinations of
>>>>> modules that could make up those courses.
>>>>>
>>>>> We have a blank wiki page to host this:
>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/
>> Tomcat+Training+Course
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to ask for edit access to that page (you'll need to create an
>>>>> account and let us know the user name) so you can add ideas directly or
>>>>> add ideas to this thread and I'll add them to the wiki page.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second step is to start populating the modules with actual content.
>>>>> As a motivator to get this done, I'd like to run a public Tomcat
>>>>> training course in late March / early April using this material. My
>>>>> current thinking is that the course would cost ~£100 plus food per
>>>>> person for the full day. Possible locations for this course are:
>>>>> - Cardiff
>>>>> - Birmingham
>>>>> - Manchester
>>>>> - Glasgow
>>>>> (all in the UK - if successful we can expand to mainland Europe and
>> beyond)
>>>>>
>>>>> My second request is for feedback on which location(s) are preferable
>>>>> and what content would you like to see in the training course. I'll
>> take
>>>>> this feedback, put together a course and then make it available to
>> book.
>>>>>
>>>>> I look forward to all your ideas.
>>
>> Ping.
>>
>> The current list of ideas is here:
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/TOMCAT/Tomcat+Training+Course
>>
>> More ideas are welcome.
>>
>> Based on what we have so far, a "Tomcat for system admins" course aimed
>> at experienced system admins who are unfamiliar with Tomcat looks like
>> the best fit.
>>
>> Any feedback regarding location?
>>
>> Mark
>>
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