couldn't sleep tonight, so i did a bit of work on it...

http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Wicket+Component+JAR+Metadata

just a quick first sketch. thoughts?


Jonathan Locke wrote:
> 
> 
> i don't have time to develop the metadata standard, but i could make time
> to review it. there are a few good things on that wiki page, but i'd say a
> bit more thinking could be applied (anyone want to help francisco?) and
> then get review from me and any other core devs who want to chime in. if
> wicket-user/wicket-dev then goes +1 on it, that's the standard.
> 
>       jon
> 
> 
> francisco treacy-2 wrote:
>> 
>>> your plan makes sense to me. it seems like moving ahead with a wicket
>>> component metadata standard would be a good thing to do in parallel
>>> though.
>> 
>> +1
>> 
>> the problem here though is that for things to work in parallel, well,
>> by definition, you need more than 1 person doing stuff :)
>> 
>> i guess the question is... who wants to move ahead with the component
>> metadata standard while i develop stuff into wickethub?  it would be
>> also nice to have at least one example of wicket component with
>> metadata to play with.
>> 
>> for a list of things i plan to do, check the issues tab of the project
>> home - and feel free to add.
>> 
>> regards
>> 
>> francisco
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Jonathan Locke
>> <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> that's too bad. i was hoping nexus was a centralized index of all known
>>> public repos.
>>>
>>> your plan makes sense to me. it seems like moving ahead with a wicket
>>> component metadata standard would be a good thing to do in parallel
>>> though.
>>>
>>>       jon
>>>
>>>
>>> francisco treacy-2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>> hi jon,
>>>>
>>>>> it would be nice to enable other parties to build similar wicket
>>>>> component searching technologies that are not linked to wicket hub
>>>>
>>>> definitely
>>>>
>>>>> my simplistic understanding was that nexus could search for jars with
>>>>> certain files in them.
>>>>
>>>> not unless you extend it
>>>>
>>>>> it ought to be extended so that it can do that. it would be worth
>>>>> talking to them about our needs to see if they could help us
>>>>
>>>> i have contacted them: see the thread
>>>> http://nexus.sonatype.org/mailing-list-user-archives.html#nabble-f34835
>>>>
>>>> basically it is technically possible to do what we need with nexus.
>>>> the problem is that this "wicket-aware extended nexus version" has to
>>>> be installed in every single repo we may want to synchronize with.  so
>>>> once we have done the coding we'll have to contact maven central (and
>>>> other) repo owners. so it boils down to diplomacy rather than
>>>> programming =)
>>>>
>>>> so: for now i will focus on "submit jar url" support that we will need
>>>> anyway (for non-mavenized wicket components). at the moment this also
>>>> will be useful for components in maven repos. and the day we manage to
>>>> have an automatic 'discovery' process - people won't be required to
>>>> submit wicket-enabled-repo urls anymore.
>>>>
>>>> how does that sound?
>>>>
>>>> francisco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Jonathan Locke
>>>> <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i think maven searching is an ideal way to publish and discover wicket
>>>>> components at
>>>>> present. i never meant to imply that that should be the only way to do
>>>>> this
>>>>> or that the
>>>>> idea of a wicket component jar should be tied to something like a
>>>>> repository
>>>>> or a transport.
>>>>> i also don't think it should be tied to a specific repo of discovered
>>>>> meta
>>>>> information like
>>>>> wicket hub. that creates a centralized architecture and as much as i
>>>>> like
>>>>> the idea of wicket
>>>>> hub a lot, it would be nice to enable other parties to build similar
>>>>> wicket
>>>>> component
>>>>> searching technologies that are not linked to wicket hub. for example,
>>>>> someone could
>>>>> gather wicket components for an IDE plugin, to store in some other
>>>>> type
>>>>> of
>>>>> repository
>>>>> than maven or to create an index for some future google search plugin.
>>>>>
>>>>> my simplistic understanding was that nexus could search for jars with
>>>>> certain files in them.
>>>>> all we need from nexus is the ability to get a list of jar artifacts
>>>>> which
>>>>> contain the file
>>>>> "META-INF/wicket/components.xml" because all such files will be wicket
>>>>> component jars
>>>>> (subject to downloading and parsing, of course). if nexus can't do
>>>>> that,
>>>>> i
>>>>> think that's
>>>>> a flaw in nexus and it ought to be extended so that it can do that. it
>>>>> would
>>>>> be worth
>>>>> talking to them about our needs to see if they could help us. i think
>>>>> that a
>>>>> nexus driven
>>>>> wicket component repository would be beneficial advertising for the
>>>>> nexus
>>>>> project, and
>>>>> it should not be too hard to achieve.
>>>>>
>>>>>      jon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> francisco treacy-2 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you're certainly free to go in whatever direction you want,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> to be clear, i fully agree on the decentralized model for:
>>>>>> - people and the development of this app, and data contributed by
>>>>>> wicket users: this should be as democratic as possible
>>>>>> - artifacts / components:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> there may someday be wicket
>>>>>>> components in central or elsewhere, even outside maven repos
>>>>>>> (downloadable via HTTP
>>>>>>> like matej's inmethod stuff was for a while)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> we should support any mavenized or non-mavenized artifacts, wherever
>>>>>> those may live - you're right there (however i thought you said
>>>>>> before
>>>>>> you were interested at present only by components delivered by
>>>>>> maven).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> parsing the metadata would be done after you download the artifact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> okay, fair enough. i have some doubts though:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. in this scenario, downloading every artifact on earth just to open
>>>>>> it and "see if there's some wicket info inside" is... impossible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>>> you just need to find the artifact with nexus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in your original blog post you say "Basically, I'd like to see us
>>>>>> crawl maven repos looking for JAR'ed Wicket components with a
>>>>>> particular set of meta-data"
>>>>>> i don't see how nexus can help there. let's put another example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i create a mootools integration component, i mavenize it with package
>>>>>> name "com.mymootools.wicket" and publish it in central repo.  how
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> nexus help in finding that, if it doesn't know anything about
>>>>>> META-INF/*.xml?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... *unless* you're planning people to "submit their jar urls to
>>>>>> wickethub". that would be a whole other story. but then again, nexus
>>>>>> would be useless as we will already have the urls to components (no
>>>>>> need to crawl or search - only to download the jar, open it up and
>>>>>> update metadata in wickethub)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for screenshots and the internal structure of the xml file, we shall
>>>>>> see later, but i generally agree with you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> francisco
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> parsing the metadata would be done after you download the artifact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> found.
>>>>>>> at that point you can do anything with it, including extracting URLs
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> embedded
>>>>>>> images (might be a nice option for screenshots).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> putting jar metadata in META-INF is much more appropriate in my mind
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> not maven-specific. the idea of a wicket component is not a
>>>>>>> maven-centric
>>>>>>> idea and
>>>>>>> a maven repository is just one way to publish a component. there are
>>>>>>> certainly going
>>>>>>> to be others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i do think that it might be a good idea to make the component
>>>>>>> metadata
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> separate
>>>>>>> xml file in a subfolder of META-INF instead of putting that info
>>>>>>> directly
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the existing
>>>>>>> jar properties file.  this is a lot more extensible and would allow
>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>> components
>>>>>>> in a single jar and would also uniquely identify a wicket component
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>> quite
>>>>>>> searchable with nexus by just looking for:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    META-INF/wicket/components.xml               // define components
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> this jar (relative reference to metadata files, in this case:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> //
>>>>>>> component1/metadata.xml and component2/metadata.xml)
>>>>>>>    META-INF/wicket/component1/metadata.xml          // define
>>>>>>> metadata
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> first component
>>>>>>>    META-INF/wicket/component2/metadata.xml          // metadata for
>>>>>>> second
>>>>>>> component
>>>>>>>    META-INF/wicket/component2/screenshots/1.jpg    // embedded
>>>>>>> screenshots
>>>>>>> for second component
>>>>>>>    META-INF/wicket/component2/screenshots/2.jpg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> at least as i understand it... if not, maybe nexus needs to be
>>>>>>> extended...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> francisco treacy-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i don't completely agree:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - to be searched by nexus, repo needs to be nexus-aware: i.e.
>>>>>>>> "nexus-maven-repository-index.properties and
>>>>>>>> nexus-maven-repository-index.zip files need to be deployed to the
>>>>>>>> /.index folder at maven repository root".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> we are mainly talking about wicketstuff projects currently hosted
>>>>>>>> in a
>>>>>>>> non-indexed (nothing at
>>>>>>>> http://wicketstuff.org/maven/repository/.index/) community-owned
>>>>>>>> repo.
>>>>>>>> as far as i know, there are no wicket components in maven central
>>>>>>>> repo.
>>>>>>>>  i insist, so long as wicketstuff is *our repo* we can do whatever
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> want with it. we can decide *not to ban* wickethub's crawler (our
>>>>>>>> crawler). we still can use nexus though, but we're not forced to do
>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - moreover, no specific metadata indexed:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Nexus indexer component provides an API to index Maven repository,
>>>>>>>> merge and download index updates. It also provides an API to search
>>>>>>>> through registered indexes using various search criteria,
>>>>>>>> including:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     * Browse through repository indexes
>>>>>>>>     * Search jars by artifactId and groupId
>>>>>>>>     * Search jars by the packaging type (e.g. to find Maven plugins
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> Archetypes)
>>>>>>>>     * Search jars by sha1 (e.g. to identify arbitrary jars with
>>>>>>>> actual
>>>>>>>> Maven artifacts)
>>>>>>>>     * Search Maven artifacts/jar by class name (e.g. resolve
>>>>>>>> classpath
>>>>>>>> issues from build errors or class not found exceptions)"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...knowing that we need to index specific metadata
>>>>>>>> (http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Wicket+Component+JAR+Metadata).
>>>>>>>> by the way, i wouldn't store metadata under META-INF inside the
>>>>>>>> jar; i
>>>>>>>> would rather include it in the pom file.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> let's put an example, let's say we need to display up-to-date url
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> screenshots (or examples or whatever)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Screenshots=http://mycomponents.com/slider/screenshots/1.jpg,http://mycomponents.com/slider/screenshots/2.jpg,...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wickethub will somehow need to know about those urls. how could it
>>>>>>>> grab that out of nexus? i had a look at their lucene api and i'm
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> aware of the aforementioned scenario being possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> wickethub's crawler is a custom solution. it has to be smarter in
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> regard - to be able to keep synchronized custom data *we* (but not
>>>>>>>> everybody) will be using in maven artifacts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> francisco
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Jonathan Locke
>>>>>>>> <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> cool. this definitely looks like the right approach to me
>>>>>>>>> (assuming
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> indexes most of the big repos)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       jon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Rodolfo Hansen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, you should use the nexus index for the repository
>>>>>>>>>> http://nexus.sonatype.org/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The indexer api is pretty straight forward:
>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.codehaus.org/display/M2ECLIPSE/Nexus+Indexer#NexusIndexer-NexusIndexerAPIExample
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you could search for artifacts with the appropriate metadata, or
>>>>>>>>>> search
>>>>>>>>>> inside the jars for some specific file / class (I think)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:00 AM, francisco treacy <
>>>>>>>>>> francisco.tre...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't this someone martijn?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Martijn Dashorst
>>>>>>>>>>> <martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> > For perusing the maven repository, one should contact the guys
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> > nexus. They have an api for reading/indexing the repository.
>>>>>>>>>>> Don't
>>>>>>>>>>> > crawl the repository-that will surely get you banned.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i replied >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> martijn, banning policies are issued by repository owners. i
>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> know which repo you're referring to as "the maven repository".
>>>>>>>>>>> central? apache?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> i suggested setting up or reusing a repo that would be mainly
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> wicket components, and owned by the project/ community.
>>>>>>>>>>> advantages:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  - we simply don't ban wickethub's crawler
>>>>>>>>>>>  - we provide guidelines for wicket developers to easily publish
>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts (and possibly check if metadata is present, etc)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> as for the rest ('non-compliant'), that would be maintained
>>>>>>>>>>> manually
>>>>>>>>>>> so no crawling involved.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> francisco
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Jonathan Locke
>>>>>>>>>>> <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > yeah, you really do need a maven expert's help i think. i was
>>>>>>>>>>> chatting
>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>> > someone about this and they said something to the effect of:
>>>>>>>>>>> "oh,
>>>>>>>>>>> god
>>>>>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>>>> > don't crawl the maven repo. you'll get banned." so there's
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>> > official way of doing this apparently.
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> > francisco treacy-2 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> here it is:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://code.google.com/p/wickethub/  (source code for the
>>>>>>>>>>> >> http://wickethub.org/ webapp)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> a small piece of code (with not even unit tests so far) but
>>>>>>>>>>> hopefully
>>>>>>>>>>> >> the way to start addressing our ideas:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/idea:-automatic-component-repo-to17979177.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://web.mac.com/jonathan.locke/iWeb/JonathanLocke/Blog/ECA681FB-4B9C-4C27-9947-C9901F99E154.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nabble.com/wickethub.org-td20995774.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> let me know if you're interested in contributing. i'd
>>>>>>>>>>> particularly
>>>>>>>>>>> >> like to find a maven power-user(s) who'd like to help
>>>>>>>>>>> implementing
>>>>>>>>>>> >> some of jon's "automatic component repo" thingy.
>>>>>>>>>>> >> nino, what about the "archetypes for wicketstuff"?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> francisco
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Nino Martinez
>>>>>>>>>>> >> <nino.martinez.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> Ahh, no did'nt follow the thing that far, will read up on it
>>>>>>>>>>> now..
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'll be looking forward to see some stuff in a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>> weeks
>>>>>>>>>>> :)
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>> francisco treacy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> hi nino,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have you seen jon's idea of automatic component , and/or
>>>>>>>>>>> wickethub.org
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> thread?  discussion went around providing to wicket
>>>>>>>>>>> component
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> developers some sort of archetype that can help to
>>>>>>>>>>> 'standardize'/
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> 'give more structure'  - also useful to perhaps crawl those
>>>>>>>>>>> artifacts
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> (with metadata) and keep them up-to-date in a sort of
>>>>>>>>>>> registry.
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> would be good to join efforts.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/idea:-automatic-component-repo-to17979177.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://web.mac.com/jonathan.locke/iWeb/JonathanLocke/Blog/ECA681FB-4B9C-4C27-9947-C9901F99E154.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nabble.com/wickethub.org-td20995774.html
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> i'd really like to really tackle this one, once i'm back
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> holidays
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> in about 2 weeks. gonna tidy up a bit and open source that
>>>>>>>>>>> wickethub
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> code.
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> francisco
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Nino Martinez
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> <nino.martinez.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I were thinking that it would be nice to have archetypes
>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> single
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> wicketstuff core project and one with a multi module (the
>>>>>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>>>>> project
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> a example one), I guess it would provide event more
>>>>>>>>>>> structure..
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> regards Nino
>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>
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