couldn't sleep tonight, so i did a bit of work on it...
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Wicket+Component+JAR+Metadata just a quick first sketch. thoughts? Jonathan Locke wrote: > > > i don't have time to develop the metadata standard, but i could make time > to review it. there are a few good things on that wiki page, but i'd say a > bit more thinking could be applied (anyone want to help francisco?) and > then get review from me and any other core devs who want to chime in. if > wicket-user/wicket-dev then goes +1 on it, that's the standard. > > jon > > > francisco treacy-2 wrote: >> >>> your plan makes sense to me. it seems like moving ahead with a wicket >>> component metadata standard would be a good thing to do in parallel >>> though. >> >> +1 >> >> the problem here though is that for things to work in parallel, well, >> by definition, you need more than 1 person doing stuff :) >> >> i guess the question is... who wants to move ahead with the component >> metadata standard while i develop stuff into wickethub? it would be >> also nice to have at least one example of wicket component with >> metadata to play with. >> >> for a list of things i plan to do, check the issues tab of the project >> home - and feel free to add. >> >> regards >> >> francisco >> >> >> On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Jonathan Locke >> <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> that's too bad. i was hoping nexus was a centralized index of all known >>> public repos. >>> >>> your plan makes sense to me. it seems like moving ahead with a wicket >>> component metadata standard would be a good thing to do in parallel >>> though. >>> >>> jon >>> >>> >>> francisco treacy-2 wrote: >>>> >>>> hi jon, >>>> >>>>> it would be nice to enable other parties to build similar wicket >>>>> component searching technologies that are not linked to wicket hub >>>> >>>> definitely >>>> >>>>> my simplistic understanding was that nexus could search for jars with >>>>> certain files in them. >>>> >>>> not unless you extend it >>>> >>>>> it ought to be extended so that it can do that. it would be worth >>>>> talking to them about our needs to see if they could help us >>>> >>>> i have contacted them: see the thread >>>> http://nexus.sonatype.org/mailing-list-user-archives.html#nabble-f34835 >>>> >>>> basically it is technically possible to do what we need with nexus. >>>> the problem is that this "wicket-aware extended nexus version" has to >>>> be installed in every single repo we may want to synchronize with. so >>>> once we have done the coding we'll have to contact maven central (and >>>> other) repo owners. so it boils down to diplomacy rather than >>>> programming =) >>>> >>>> so: for now i will focus on "submit jar url" support that we will need >>>> anyway (for non-mavenized wicket components). at the moment this also >>>> will be useful for components in maven repos. and the day we manage to >>>> have an automatic 'discovery' process - people won't be required to >>>> submit wicket-enabled-repo urls anymore. >>>> >>>> how does that sound? >>>> >>>> francisco >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2009 at 10:02 PM, Jonathan Locke >>>> <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> i think maven searching is an ideal way to publish and discover wicket >>>>> components at >>>>> present. i never meant to imply that that should be the only way to do >>>>> this >>>>> or that the >>>>> idea of a wicket component jar should be tied to something like a >>>>> repository >>>>> or a transport. >>>>> i also don't think it should be tied to a specific repo of discovered >>>>> meta >>>>> information like >>>>> wicket hub. that creates a centralized architecture and as much as i >>>>> like >>>>> the idea of wicket >>>>> hub a lot, it would be nice to enable other parties to build similar >>>>> wicket >>>>> component >>>>> searching technologies that are not linked to wicket hub. for example, >>>>> someone could >>>>> gather wicket components for an IDE plugin, to store in some other >>>>> type >>>>> of >>>>> repository >>>>> than maven or to create an index for some future google search plugin. >>>>> >>>>> my simplistic understanding was that nexus could search for jars with >>>>> certain files in them. >>>>> all we need from nexus is the ability to get a list of jar artifacts >>>>> which >>>>> contain the file >>>>> "META-INF/wicket/components.xml" because all such files will be wicket >>>>> component jars >>>>> (subject to downloading and parsing, of course). if nexus can't do >>>>> that, >>>>> i >>>>> think that's >>>>> a flaw in nexus and it ought to be extended so that it can do that. it >>>>> would >>>>> be worth >>>>> talking to them about our needs to see if they could help us. i think >>>>> that a >>>>> nexus driven >>>>> wicket component repository would be beneficial advertising for the >>>>> nexus >>>>> project, and >>>>> it should not be too hard to achieve. >>>>> >>>>> jon >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> francisco treacy-2 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> you're certainly free to go in whatever direction you want, >>>>>> >>>>>> to be clear, i fully agree on the decentralized model for: >>>>>> - people and the development of this app, and data contributed by >>>>>> wicket users: this should be as democratic as possible >>>>>> - artifacts / components: >>>>>> >>>>>>> there may someday be wicket >>>>>>> components in central or elsewhere, even outside maven repos >>>>>>> (downloadable via HTTP >>>>>>> like matej's inmethod stuff was for a while) >>>>>> >>>>>> we should support any mavenized or non-mavenized artifacts, wherever >>>>>> those may live - you're right there (however i thought you said >>>>>> before >>>>>> you were interested at present only by components delivered by >>>>>> maven). >>>>>> >>>>>>> parsing the metadata would be done after you download the artifact >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> found. >>>>>> >>>>>> okay, fair enough. i have some doubts though: >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. in this scenario, downloading every artifact on earth just to open >>>>>> it and "see if there's some wicket info inside" is... impossible. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. >>>>>>> you just need to find the artifact with nexus. >>>>>> >>>>>> in your original blog post you say "Basically, I'd like to see us >>>>>> crawl maven repos looking for JAR'ed Wicket components with a >>>>>> particular set of meta-data" >>>>>> i don't see how nexus can help there. let's put another example: >>>>>> >>>>>> i create a mootools integration component, i mavenize it with package >>>>>> name "com.mymootools.wicket" and publish it in central repo. how >>>>>> does >>>>>> nexus help in finding that, if it doesn't know anything about >>>>>> META-INF/*.xml? >>>>>> >>>>>> ... *unless* you're planning people to "submit their jar urls to >>>>>> wickethub". that would be a whole other story. but then again, nexus >>>>>> would be useless as we will already have the urls to components (no >>>>>> need to crawl or search - only to download the jar, open it up and >>>>>> update metadata in wickethub) >>>>>> >>>>>> for screenshots and the internal structure of the xml file, we shall >>>>>> see later, but i generally agree with you >>>>>> >>>>>> francisco >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> parsing the metadata would be done after you download the artifact >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> found. >>>>>>> at that point you can do anything with it, including extracting URLs >>>>>>> or >>>>>>> even >>>>>>> embedded >>>>>>> images (might be a nice option for screenshots). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> putting jar metadata in META-INF is much more appropriate in my mind >>>>>>> because >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> not maven-specific. the idea of a wicket component is not a >>>>>>> maven-centric >>>>>>> idea and >>>>>>> a maven repository is just one way to publish a component. there are >>>>>>> certainly going >>>>>>> to be others. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> i do think that it might be a good idea to make the component >>>>>>> metadata >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> separate >>>>>>> xml file in a subfolder of META-INF instead of putting that info >>>>>>> directly >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the existing >>>>>>> jar properties file. this is a lot more extensible and would allow >>>>>>> multiple >>>>>>> components >>>>>>> in a single jar and would also uniquely identify a wicket component >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> be >>>>>>> quite >>>>>>> searchable with nexus by just looking for: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> META-INF/wicket/components.xml // define components >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> this jar (relative reference to metadata files, in this case: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> // >>>>>>> component1/metadata.xml and component2/metadata.xml) >>>>>>> META-INF/wicket/component1/metadata.xml // define >>>>>>> metadata >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> first component >>>>>>> META-INF/wicket/component2/metadata.xml // metadata for >>>>>>> second >>>>>>> component >>>>>>> META-INF/wicket/component2/screenshots/1.jpg // embedded >>>>>>> screenshots >>>>>>> for second component >>>>>>> META-INF/wicket/component2/screenshots/2.jpg >>>>>>> >>>>>>> at least as i understand it... if not, maybe nexus needs to be >>>>>>> extended... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> francisco treacy-2 wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i don't completely agree: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - to be searched by nexus, repo needs to be nexus-aware: i.e. >>>>>>>> "nexus-maven-repository-index.properties and >>>>>>>> nexus-maven-repository-index.zip files need to be deployed to the >>>>>>>> /.index folder at maven repository root". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we are mainly talking about wicketstuff projects currently hosted >>>>>>>> in a >>>>>>>> non-indexed (nothing at >>>>>>>> http://wicketstuff.org/maven/repository/.index/) community-owned >>>>>>>> repo. >>>>>>>> as far as i know, there are no wicket components in maven central >>>>>>>> repo. >>>>>>>> i insist, so long as wicketstuff is *our repo* we can do whatever >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> want with it. we can decide *not to ban* wickethub's crawler (our >>>>>>>> crawler). we still can use nexus though, but we're not forced to do >>>>>>>> so >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - moreover, no specific metadata indexed: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Nexus indexer component provides an API to index Maven repository, >>>>>>>> merge and download index updates. It also provides an API to search >>>>>>>> through registered indexes using various search criteria, >>>>>>>> including: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> * Browse through repository indexes >>>>>>>> * Search jars by artifactId and groupId >>>>>>>> * Search jars by the packaging type (e.g. to find Maven plugins >>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>> Archetypes) >>>>>>>> * Search jars by sha1 (e.g. to identify arbitrary jars with >>>>>>>> actual >>>>>>>> Maven artifacts) >>>>>>>> * Search Maven artifacts/jar by class name (e.g. resolve >>>>>>>> classpath >>>>>>>> issues from build errors or class not found exceptions)" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ...knowing that we need to index specific metadata >>>>>>>> (http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WICKET/Wicket+Component+JAR+Metadata). >>>>>>>> by the way, i wouldn't store metadata under META-INF inside the >>>>>>>> jar; i >>>>>>>> would rather include it in the pom file. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> let's put an example, let's say we need to display up-to-date url >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> screenshots (or examples or whatever) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Screenshots=http://mycomponents.com/slider/screenshots/1.jpg,http://mycomponents.com/slider/screenshots/2.jpg,... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wickethub will somehow need to know about those urls. how could it >>>>>>>> grab that out of nexus? i had a look at their lucene api and i'm >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>> aware of the aforementioned scenario being possible. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wickethub's crawler is a custom solution. it has to be smarter in >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> regard - to be able to keep synchronized custom data *we* (but not >>>>>>>> everybody) will be using in maven artifacts. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> francisco >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Jonathan Locke >>>>>>>> <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cool. this definitely looks like the right approach to me >>>>>>>>> (assuming >>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> indexes most of the big repos) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> jon >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rodolfo Hansen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes, you should use the nexus index for the repository >>>>>>>>>> http://nexus.sonatype.org/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The indexer api is pretty straight forward: >>>>>>>>>> http://docs.codehaus.org/display/M2ECLIPSE/Nexus+Indexer#NexusIndexer-NexusIndexerAPIExample >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> you could search for artifacts with the appropriate metadata, or >>>>>>>>>> search >>>>>>>>>> inside the jars for some specific file / class (I think) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 5:00 AM, francisco treacy < >>>>>>>>>> francisco.tre...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wasn't this someone martijn? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 8:55 PM, Martijn Dashorst >>>>>>>>>>> <martijn.dasho...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > For perusing the maven repository, one should contact the guys >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> > nexus. They have an api for reading/indexing the repository. >>>>>>>>>>> Don't >>>>>>>>>>> > crawl the repository-that will surely get you banned. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i replied > >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> martijn, banning policies are issued by repository owners. i >>>>>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>>> know which repo you're referring to as "the maven repository". >>>>>>>>>>> central? apache? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> i suggested setting up or reusing a repo that would be mainly >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> wicket components, and owned by the project/ community. >>>>>>>>>>> advantages: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> - we simply don't ban wickethub's crawler >>>>>>>>>>> - we provide guidelines for wicket developers to easily publish >>>>>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>>>>> artifacts (and possibly check if metadata is present, etc) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> as for the rest ('non-compliant'), that would be maintained >>>>>>>>>>> manually >>>>>>>>>>> so no crawling involved. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> francisco >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Jonathan Locke >>>>>>>>>>> <jonathan.lo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > yeah, you really do need a maven expert's help i think. i was >>>>>>>>>>> chatting >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>> > someone about this and they said something to the effect of: >>>>>>>>>>> "oh, >>>>>>>>>>> god >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>> > don't crawl the maven repo. you'll get banned." so there's >>>>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> > official way of doing this apparently. >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > francisco treacy-2 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> here it is: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://code.google.com/p/wickethub/ (source code for the >>>>>>>>>>> >> http://wickethub.org/ webapp) >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> a small piece of code (with not even unit tests so far) but >>>>>>>>>>> hopefully >>>>>>>>>>> >> the way to start addressing our ideas: >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/idea:-automatic-component-repo-to17979177.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://web.mac.com/jonathan.locke/iWeb/JonathanLocke/Blog/ECA681FB-4B9C-4C27-9947-C9901F99E154.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nabble.com/wickethub.org-td20995774.html >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> let me know if you're interested in contributing. i'd >>>>>>>>>>> particularly >>>>>>>>>>> >> like to find a maven power-user(s) who'd like to help >>>>>>>>>>> implementing >>>>>>>>>>> >> some of jon's "automatic component repo" thingy. >>>>>>>>>>> >> nino, what about the "archetypes for wicketstuff"? >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> francisco >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:00 PM, Nino Martinez >>>>>>>>>>> >> <nino.martinez.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>> Ahh, no did'nt follow the thing that far, will read up on it >>>>>>>>>>> now.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> I'll be looking forward to see some stuff in a couple of >>>>>>>>>>> weeks >>>>>>>>>>> :) >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> francisco treacy wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> hi nino, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> have you seen jon's idea of automatic component , and/or >>>>>>>>>>> wickethub.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> thread? discussion went around providing to wicket >>>>>>>>>>> component >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> developers some sort of archetype that can help to >>>>>>>>>>> 'standardize'/ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> 'give more structure' - also useful to perhaps crawl those >>>>>>>>>>> artifacts >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> (with metadata) and keep them up-to-date in a sort of >>>>>>>>>>> registry. >>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> would be good to join efforts. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/idea:-automatic-component-repo-to17979177.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://web.mac.com/jonathan.locke/iWeb/JonathanLocke/Blog/ECA681FB-4B9C-4C27-9947-C9901F99E154.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> http://www.nabble.com/wickethub.org-td20995774.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> i'd really like to really tackle this one, once i'm back >>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>> holidays >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> in about 2 weeks. gonna tidy up a bit and open source that >>>>>>>>>>> wickethub >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> code. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> cheers, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> francisco >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Nino Martinez >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> <nino.martinez.w...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> I were thinking that it would be nice to have archetypes >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> single >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> wicketstuff core project and one with a multi module (the >>>>>>>>>>> stuff >>>>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> a example one), I guess it would provide event more >>>>>>>>>>> structure.. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> WDYT? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> regards Nino >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>> users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>> users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>> users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>> For additional commands, e-mail: >>>>>>>>>>> users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>>> > View this message in context: >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.nabble.com/Wicket-stuff-core%2C-archetypes--tp21102842p21466906.html >>>>>>>>>>> > Sent from the Wicket - 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