css is really crap (until i really can use box-sizing: border-box everywhere that will be a great relieve)
who ever thought about that content-box should be shot and not through the head but shot at various places so that he will die a very painfull and slow death. its completely counter intuitive and i really can understand that microsoft did implement it first wrong (quirks mode) because who in there right minds comes up with something like that. johan On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 17:11, Jeremy Thomerson <jer...@wickettraining.com>wrote: > I used to hate HTML / CSS and had designers to do the layout. In the > past couple years, I've had to do all my own layouts from photoshop > images of what it should look like, and have become fairly proficient > with HTML / CSS. To the point where I actually sort of like it. Not > as much as coding the domain, service and lower layers, but I think > Wicket is the thing that actually made GUI programming fun for me. > Before that we had used Tapestry, which I hated. > > Anyway, I guess it's all familiarity. Someone's first web pages are > generally ugly too, just like my first Swing apps - just look at > MySpace - you'll see what I mean! > > -- > Jeremy Thomerson > http://www.wickettraining.com > > > > > On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Johan Compagner<jcompag...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Ha this is funny, > > I hear things like swing is horrible to design, from users that use > > wicket so html apps. I guess those dont design the webapps themselfs, > > because if i have to choose i would choose swing or swt over html/css > > any day.. I really hate css > > > > For swing apps just have a good ui builder like windows builder or > > matisse. Windows builder also supports SWT > > > > With grouplayout making nice ui's that always looks good over multiply > > os'ses or jvms is pretty easy > > > > You could try to use JavaFX but i havent experiences with that. But it > > should be way easier to creaty flashy ui apps.. > > > > > > > > On 11/06/2009, Jeremy Thomerson <jer...@wickettraining.com> wrote: > >> I would like to build a nice-looking java desktop application. I hope > >> that isn't an oxymoron :). I have built some desktop apps before - a > >> lot of command line utilities in various languages, and some GUI apps > >> (perl, java, python, php, even vb (yikes!), c# etc...). > >> > >> The question is - what framework do you use for your UI components and > >> layout on a desktop app? I would like to use Java because I'll be > >> most efficient with it and it will work for me on linux machines and > >> others on Windoze, etc.. But when I've built Swing apps in the past, > >> I have hated having to layout everything in the code and I can never > >> make anything aesthetically pleasing. So.... > >> > >> 1 - do you have any recommendations on a good framework for nice > >> looking desktop apps? > >> 2 - any other recommendations for desktop apps in general? > >> 3 - It should be a lightweight, easy install - and I would prefer to > >> stay away from using the Eclipse framework for building the app (I use > >> the IDE but it doesn't need to be something that heavy for the GUI) > >> 4 - I have even thought about building an app that opens a swing > >> window that contains an embedded browser and jetty servlet running the > >> app so that I can use Wicket. Has anyone thought of or done this > >> before? > >> > >> Basically, it's a CRUD application, but containing personal data that > >> the user should not store on someone else's server. I would use an > >> embedded database that stores the data with encryption. > >> > >> Ideas? > >> > >> -- > >> Jeremy Thomerson > >> http://www.wickettraining.com > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >> > >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org > >
