I also believe Wicket could really benefit from marketing. Some real world experiences/comparisons could be useful to add to any marketing efforts:
After working on Wicket projects since 2008 in a recent contract I had to use Angular JS in a project - OMG!!! It was as painful as pulling teeth and whereas with Wicket I can drive all the fancy Web 2, partial updates in pure Java in Angular JS I had to continually switch between elegant, compilable, typesafe Java and the web's version of "machine language" - JavaScript. Angular JS is 'model/view' based. Listening to any Angular JS evangelist you would think they've single handedly discovered the concept of a 'model/view' approach to UI architecture - i.e. the approach Wicket has had since 2004! So in most Angular JS projects with a Java back end you end up duplicating your model - once in Java (required so you can persist in an ORM) and then again in JavaScript so your model objects can be viewed/edited in the UI - an frustrating duplication exercise which is always a total waste of effort and a massive productivity and maintenance hit compared to Wicket where you only need to create a single POJO model in Java and use simply wrap those in IModel impls to have them work with your UI code. A lot of developers act like "sheeple" and just use new technologies because they think that it must be good because it's "new". I don't think it would be that hard to explain to intelligent developers the benefits of Wicket over other frameworks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrea Del Bene [mailto:an.delb...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 10 October 2017 8:57 PM > To: users@wicket.apache.org > Subject: Re: Wicket 8 GA for production > > > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. > I'm > > quite surprised that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some > > marketing difficulties? > > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some > > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in > > spreading this web-framework across the World. > > Unfortunately we have no marketing department :-). At the moment there's > no > "Wicket company" that can do some kind of advertising. What I will > certainly do for Wicket 8 is publishing an article at dzone.com. I try to > write as many Wicket-related articles as possible on this site. > If you have any suggestion or advice they are warmly welcome! > > > On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Martin Grigorov <mgrigo...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 9:40 PM, Илья Нарыжный <phan...@ydn.ru> wrote: > > > > > Martin, Andrea, Maxim, > > > > > > Thank you all for your answers! > > > > > > GA version will be a gift for us for sure:) Yes - we can use Java 8 > > source > > > level with Wicket 7, but we have some internal dependency for > resolving > > of > > > which we need to invest some good amount of time. > > > Andrea, regarding my second question. It was about compatibility by > > > features between wicket 7 and wicket 8. Are there something missing in > > > Wicket which is present in Wicket 7? > > > Maxim, you wrote about using of Wicket 8 on production. Is that some > open > > > source? Can you send a link? You can make it privately:) > > > > > > And guys, you are doing incredible web-framework! Thank you for that. > I'm > > > quite surprised that Wicket is not widely used:) Do you have some > > > marketing difficulties? > > > > > > > There was more marketing in the early years of Wicket. > > Lately web developers prefer to use REST server with JS frontend. Some > devs > > love Wicket so much so they use WicketStuff-Rest-Annotations project [1] > > for the backend :-) > > But actually Wicket is used by many companies! Maybe 80% of the tweets > by > > https://twitter.com/apache_wicket are "Company XYZ use Apache Wicket for > > ..." > > > > > > > I personally expect that Wicket 8 release will be followed by some > > > marketing events, articles and etc. Will be glad to participate in > > > spreading this web-framework across the World. > > > > > > > > 1. > > https://github.com/wicketstuff/core/tree/master/ > > wicketstuff-restannotations-parent > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Ilia > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application > > > Platform > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 4:10 AM, Martin Grigorov <mgrigo...@apache.org> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Sun, Oct 8, 2017 at 7:28 PM, Илья Нарыжный <phan...@ydn.ru> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Wicket developers, > > > > > > > > > > Could you please help with understanding of Wicket 8 status? > > > > > 1) When do you expect GA version be released? (I mean first > official > > > > > release which is not a candidate and etc.) > > > > > 2) How accurately Wicket 8 branch currently mimics features from > > > version > > > > 7? > > > > > 3) What the level maturity of wicket 8 M7 to try to use it even on > > > > > production? Do you recommend? Or it's better to wait? > > > > > > > > > > A little bit more context: we are starting to use RxJava 2 in our > > > > > application platform http://orienteer.org. And it's much more > > > convenient > > > > > to > > > > > use it on Java 8, so we are considering to move the whole our > > platform > > > to > > > > > Java 8, but the main our dependency is Wicket:) > > > > > > > > > > > > > You can use Wicket 7 with Java 8. I guess you already know this. > > > > > > > > I'd be interested to hear how it goes with the asynchronous > rendering > > > > (RxJava2 + Wicket)! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Ilia > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > > > Orienteer(http://orienteer.org) - open source Business Application > > > > > Platform > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@wicket.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@wicket.apache.org
