On 07/07/2010 07:32 AM, Thomas Hoeschele wrote:
> Hi,
>
> yeah but i thought the database would handle any conflicts, beside a read 
> only mode is enough for enterprise environment. It would allow employees to 
> access all the information needed offline, changes could be code only like 
> XEclipse, which get solved once online again. E.G. in the company I'm working 
> most of our handbooks, guidelines should get accessed through XWiki; often 
> employees go to meetings on buildings sites where there is no internet 
> connection, which means they have to access all the handbooks via filesystem, 
> which is slow as they need to scroll through a foldersystem with ~1000 guides.
> I think here would be the real advantage of an offline XWiki.

This could be done with offline browser storage (HTML5).

>
>
>> Well this is not really enough, as this locks you in read-only mode.
>> Concerto was meant to provide offline, but you need some additional code
>> and storage on both the server and the client to run the replication
>> model.
>> The replication model is what guarantees solutions to conflicts..
>>
>> Now conflict are very very rare when you look at the use cases, and a
>> much simpler replication model which could fail on conflicts would be
>> probably largely enough for most cases.
>>
>> Concerto is quite overkill for the simple replication scenario. The
>> power of Concerto is P2P replication just using a relay network which
>> does not store anything. But in this world this scenario does not have a
>> big future.
>>
>> Ludovic
>>
>>>> This sounds kind of like Concerto also sharing the Advantages and the
>>>> Disadvanges
>>>>
>>>> However, some mid way would be nice in future (the sooner the better)
>> simple
>>>> rendering and maybe search in XEclipse would be great.
>>>>
>>> Yes, XEclipse does need some love. We'll see.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eduard
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>> Von: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Im
>> Auftrag von
>>>> Eduard Moraru
>>>> Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. Juli 2010 16:46
>>>> An: [email protected]
>>>> Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] state of xwiki concerto
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On 07/06/2010 04:07 PM, Thomas Hoeschele wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just jumping in here, as I have to ask this: is there any Possilibity
>> to
>>>>>
>>>> Use XWiki Offline apart from Concerto? I consider this a crucial
>> feature for
>>>> a lot of enterprise where employees have to work outside or have no
>> internet
>>>> in meetings.
>>>>
>>>>> Btw, I thing something like XEclipse with Page preview would suffice.
>>>>>
>>>>> thank !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Well, XEclipse was originally part of the XWiki Concerto research
>>>> project as well. AFAIK, there is currently no XWiki Offline standalone
>>>> project.
>>>>
>>>> So there are basically 2 options for offline work with xwiki: Concerto
>>>> and XEclipse.
>>>>
>>>> - Concerto involves having a local (in offline work context) xwiki
>>>> installation that replicates completely or partially a remote xwiki.
>>>>       - Advantage: full featured XWiki experience.
>>>>       - Dissadvantage: big footprint, possibly instable due to current
>> status.
>>>> - XEclipse involves downloading a set of pages (or entire spaces) and
>>>> working in an Eclipse environment.
>>>>       - Advantage: light, syntax highlighting, suggestions, etc.
>>>>       - Disadvantage: only wiki syntax mode is supported and partial
>>>> rendering (since you don't have the wiki's entire contents with you).
>>>>
>>>> Both options synchronize with remote XWiki when internet is available.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Eduard
>>>>
>>>>> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Datum: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 09:06:41 +0100
>>>>>> Von: Ponder Muse<[email protected]>
>>>>>> An: XWiki Users<[email protected]>
>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [xwiki-users] state of xwiki concerto
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Eduard,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have fixed the build issues and now Concerto should be building
>>>>>>> without problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please make sure to follow the steps described at
>>>>>>> http://concerto.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Tutorial
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your efforts in making Concerto available again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, if you can wait a couple of hours, I am sure I
>> will
>>>>>>> find a place to host the 80mb jar installer build of Concerto that I
>>>>>>> remade and fix the link available at
>>>>>>> http://concerto.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/DownloadAndInstall
>>>>>>> Please check the page for updates in about 12 hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will give the built installer a go once its available at  the above
>>>>>> link.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your interest in Concerto and I would greatly
>> appreciate
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your feedback on it, even though the development on this project is
>>>>>>> currently suspended.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure thing, I'll do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P.S.: Please keep in mind that, as Sergiu stated, even though the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> project ended successfully, the prototype is not ready for
>> production. I
>>>>>>> checked it, and it's running decently with the bundled XWiki
>> Enterprise
>>>>>>> 1.8.1, but you should not use it for sensitive information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No worries with it being just a prototype as we will trial it in a
>>>>>> controlled lab environment only.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again for your efforts - much appreciated!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> PM.


-- 
Sergiu Dumitriu
http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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