Am 08.03.2011 15:30, schrieb Vincent Massol: > On Mar 8, 2011, at 3:04 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote: > >> On 03/08/2011 07:45 AM, Vincent Massol wrote: >>> Hi Andreas, >>> >>> On Mar 7, 2011, at 11:13 PM, Andreas Hahn wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> I'd like to make the proposal to drop the existing mailing lists in >>>> favor of a forum (bulletin board) software. >>>> >>>> The objective is to promote the XWiki community discussions to a broader >>>> audience. >>>> >>>> 1) A forum serves like an advertising window as anyone can read the >>>> contributions without subscription. >>> You don't need any subscription to read mailing lists. >>> See http://xwiki.markmail.org/ >>> >>>> 2) Anyone can judge the activity by reading the view count. >>> Same here: >>> http://xwiki.markmail.org/ >>> >>>> 3) New users can get in touch with the community without being urged to >>>> subscribe to a mailing list. >>> How? Even with forums you need to subscribe. >>> >>>> 4) Many people consider mailing lists as spam and prefer not to subscribe >>>> 5) Contributions have a longer visibility and older entries will get >>>> responses >>>> 6) Communication gets more efficient as the same topics won't get >>>> repeatedly discussed >>>> 7) To my experience forums get much better indexed by google as mail >>>> collectors like Nabble , Markmail, e.t.c. >>>> 8) Forums encourage user to user discussions and you will see new users >>>> taking an active role >>>> 9) There should be at least one additional category IMHO: administrators >>>> 10) A forum is more pleasure to read once a topic split into many threads >>>> 11) A forum is beneficial when expecting increasing support requirements >>>> - some real large scale forums were run by just a few moderators >>>> 12) More people will see what a teriffic job the XWiki team does. >>>> >>>> Here's my +1 >>> I have some good news for you: we already have a forum! :) >>> >>> See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/MailingLists >>> And more specifically: >>> http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Forum >>> >>> Now if this forum doesn't fit your needs could you explain what >>> requirements you'd have for a forum and which solution you'd pick? >>> I personally liked jive forums but it doesn't exist anymore (it's folded >>> into a full collaboration suite now). >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >> This was thoroughly discussed four years ago, and the conclusion was >> against installing a specific forum, and stick with Nabble as a >> forum-like view of the mailing list activity: >> http://markmail.org/thread/gbdnyb7jbh4ha5ja > Right I had forgotten about this discussion :) > > I do remember another one though (earlier than the one you pointed) where I > was the one wanting a forum as a way to get more participation. > > What I'd really like to have that we don't currently have is a way to more > visibly see who's participating more and thus encourage participation. A lot > of forum do this by giving points to people who answer questions, then they > get a title and a badge based on these points. Then you can list the top > contributors. > > That said, thanks to markmail, I think our mailing lists have become a lot > more browsable than before and we even get statistics: > http://xwiki.markmail.org/search/?q= > > At some point in the past I looked at jive because it has this point system > and it had the feature to be integrated on top of a mailing list. But since > it disappeared I haven't found any other good option that would allow us to > keep the list too. > > Now we have a real open question as to whether we want to keep our list AND > create a getstatisfaction project for XWiki too (getsatisfaction or another > similar tool). So far we've resisted doing this because it means scattering > our support and thus reducing the support quality level (we cannot monitor > several places easily). There are some guys who post and ask questions about > xwiki on developez.com for example (see http://tinyurl.com/4ftdyly) but since > we don't answer there I believe people either think xwiki is not well > supported or they find their way to the official support location. > > One one hand I'd love to use a tool such as getsatisfaction, OTOH I don't > know how we can manage properly both our lists + getsatisfaction.
getsatisfaction looks promising however it's not obvious to me if it's good for the job and what's the relationship with Xwiki. However I hadn't the time to drill deeper ... Maybe you can give a pointer or more background information ? If I were to select a tool my criteria would be: - installation base, references and development activity - should be known for good indexing by google although this might be hard to prove and may not be that much a feature of the software - a BIG plus (almost a requirement) would be a migration from the existing mailing list history (although no idea how to find that out in advance) - a plus if familiar technology is used If you are serious about further investigations I'd spend time on it - I'd like to hear a clear voice about that. Once upon a time i found xwiki by wikimatrix.org and now I'd give forummatrix.org a try ... ... and of course if somebody already has more experiences with forum software ... and no - I'm not going to subscribe to all of those products mailinglists just for this survey ! Andreas > One solution would be to remove the user list and only keep the devs list and > move users to getsatisfaction but I'm not sure how good or bad that would be. > > Anyone having any thoughts on this? > > Thanks > -Vincent > > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
