On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:46:03PM +0400, Haru Mamburu wrote: > Hi, Paul, > > IMHO, from one side Xoffice - great tool, from other - it's almost useless: > - MS Word is not the only editor in the PC world > - MS Word is relatively "heavy" application. > - Installation process is far from seamless - huge headache for people "who > have almost no free time and are not interested in > learning yet another program". They will have to spend 10 times more time on > installing it, than on mastering WYSIWYG editor. Just try it on 10 users, you > will see the difference :-) > - Localization (here I mean cyrillic names) > > Much more versatile tool - web browser. > > " Everyone we talked to about editing a wiki document via the web interface > was simply not interested." > > When human has choice to learn or skip learning with the same final result, > usually choice is obvious. Nobody ever will find browser more useful, then MS > Word, until you will close MS Word option forever. That's human. Meanwhile > each and every user wil find it more useful for them, then "old-styled-word" > editing. So, in this case - CHOICE is bad thing to move forward. Try it on > regular users and you will feel it yourself. > > Last century people mastered MS Word, this century people found it > extrafeatured, simplified as much as possible editing process and made > wiki-cloud based systems default for document workflow. > So, for more or less big projects: Windows and Word purchase looks insane > versus open source OS + web browser. As I understand, it's the only reason, > why other project do not such tools (like XOffice). I do have MS Word on my > Windows 7 machine, but I don't remember when I used it last time to EDIT > documents. ;) > > As for me, XWiki has one of the best in class web-based WISIWYG editor and > all known for me users found it easy to use: NO NEED to dig into XWiki Syntax > AT ALL. Just try other solutions to compare. > > "The killer feature is that normal users can create a document and copy-paste > screenshots into a wiki document." > > This really has sence to implement into WISYWIG editor, but don't think it's > a primary necessity. For me, for example, more critical - less complicated > mechanism of anchor management. > > Probably, these reasons are slowly pushing Xoffice aside of mainstream. > > Kind regards. > > Dmitry Bakbardin
I often assist with upgrades in professional offices. Every single person in those offices uses MSOffice as the primary office tool. That is the Enterprise class operations world. You don't tell them to change operations. You either seamlessly integrate with existing operations or... you don't even get a foot in the door. The idea that I could have a means of working seamlessly with various office teams on documents held on a wiki was a killer app that truly made XWiki appear to deserve the title "Enterprise". Without that feature... not so much. In fact, probably not worth the trouble of switching away from MoinMoin which is debian packaged and more or less standard already. Perhaps this is a bit off the technology which most here wish to discuss. But if you truly want to be Enterprise, then you have to think business operations in companies with staffs larger than some small countries and where costs of roll out of 'new' applications takes months and includes training budgets alone could be in the millions of dollars. The word 'Enterprise' requires a totally different, utterly conservative, bottom line 'it just works invisbily with the existing staff, procedures and infrastructure' attitude. _______________________________________________ users mailing list users@xwiki.org http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
