Hello Ludovic,
It took me a month to gather all of the material in one place, so sorry for
delay with the reply :)
I've prepared a presentation describing my vision of how collaboration wikis
will change in next few decades
http://prezi.com/nymm70tfdird/next-gen-collaboration-wikis/
Hope that effort was not in vain, and you will find something useful that
will help to make XWiki better.
Regards,
Roman
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Ludovic Dubost
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 18:27 PM
To: XWiki Users
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Extending XWiki collaboration toolset
I'm not so positive about this. The technology behind the LibreOffice Online
version is a bit tricky and it's not clear how it will work effectively.
We should wait and see.
Some thing for Wave, it's not clear how it will be developped in the future and
it seems that the Google experience had shown that the way they mixed Inbox +
Editing Documents + Chat was not the correct solution (beyond the real time
technology in it).
In any case integrating editors for advanced formats is definitively
interesting and is something we should look at. We have the Resilience
Research Project (starting in 2012) on which it is planned to work on Rich Web
Editors. More on it will come before the end of the year. It will include work
on Spreadsheet editors. If anybody knows of good Web based editors for popular
formats that we should look at, tell us.
As for real-time this is very interesting also. We have the Wiki 3.0 project
(https://wiki30.xwikisas.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome in French) where XWiki
SAS is doing some work with the INRIA LORIA on integrating real time in the
Wysiwyg editor (with technologies similar to Wave). This is work in progress.
I'd love to hear from our devs and users what they think we should have in this
area ?
Ludovic
2011/10/18 Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]>
> Hi,
>
> I think that this is an interesting and valid point. In the same way
> that users can get a preview of OOo-supported attached files right
> now, we could integrate use OOo's upcoming HTML5 version in XWiki
> (when it's ready). From this article:
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/17/libreoffice_porting_ios_androi
> d_cloud/
> :
>
> *The LibreOffice Online cloud software is built around HTML5 Canvas
> and the
> GTK+ framework with JavaScript shims, and was developed by SUSE's
> GTK+ Michael
> Meeks and RedHat's Alex Laarson. It allows complex text layout, large
> spreadsheets, WYSIWYG editing, VBA macros, and pivot tables, with the
> server side taking almost the entire processor load.*
>
>
> So that would seem to answer your initial issue :-) You could upload a
> .odt file, edit it online from the wiki, save it and it would be
> viewable from the wiki or re-downloadable at will.
>
> Guillaume
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Eugen Colesnicov
> <[email protected]
> >wrote:
>
> >
> > coldserenity wrote:
> > >
> > > ... the UX of the Wave (in this particular case and because
> > > Wave is
> a
> > > specialized tool) is superior.
> > >
> >
> > I am not agree with you. Good idea - but realisation - terrible!
> > 1. Google used some special interface functions - they thinking,
> > that
> these
> > possibilities will be web-standarts - but they got a mistake. For
> > this reason, Wave working quickly and without problems only on
> > Google Chrome (only this browser supports all these non-standart functions).
> > 2. Try Wave with Firefox at simple computer (netbook for example) -
> cannot
> > work on big waves (hundred messages)!!! I press one button and
> > waiting
> 3-5
> > secunds per each symbol. It is not problem of notebook - Windows 7,
> > MS Office working great and quickly!
> > 3. Too many errors on scripts - every 5 minutes I got error - script
> > bla-bla-bla stopped!
> >
> > I have experience with Google Wave with big waves of hundreds waves
> > - for this reason I known what I said.
> >
> > However it's not the Wave I was trying to promote by this thread,
> > it
> was
> > just an example of advanced user interaction User-to-User and
> User-to-Wiki:
> > advanced documents editing for most popular types of documents
> > (text, spreadsheet, and presentation). I understand the complexity
> > of this task (it took 20 years for Microsoft to build their MS
> > Office), but the question
> is:
> > I often consider whether to upload a MS Office file as an attachment
> > or maintain the file's content as an XWiki page - and sooner or
> > later
> someone
> > will come up with such solution ( Open-source wiki + Open-Source
> > Google Docs
> > :) ). So it's not about writing some missing extension - it's about
> taking
> > XWiki to the next level in terms of content editing.
> >
> > Roman
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: users-bounces@ [mailto:users-bounces@] On Behalf Of Eugen
> Colesnicov
> > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 20:46 PM
> > To: users@
> > Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Extending XWiki collaboration toolset
> >
> > Hi! I am not a developer of XWiki, but I am using XWiki 2 years and
> > your questions are closed to me.
> >
> > 1. Wave is a new project (as a apache open-source project). It is
> > started as a Google Wave, after Google "forgot it" and Wave migrated
> > to the apache incubator. As I know for now - Wave as a independent
> > open-source project didn't realise yet in production - for this
> > reason, developers of other platforms right now cannot be sure
> > exactly of future API, future functionality and other things of Wave
> > ... Discuss about integration with it can be started after Wave will
> > be released in a production.
> >
> > 2. XWiki is not only a final user-product "from the box" - is a
> > "base" of your possible product (application). And regarding to
> > "collaboration"
> XWiki
> > can give to users more and more. For example, as a small comparison
> > with Google Wave:
> > - In XWiki you can add "pages" - same in Wave you can add "waves"
> > - In XWiki you can write any comments to this page and comments to
> > the comments (tree organized).
> > - In XWiki you can sent messages inside XWiki
> > - In XWiki you can attach any files to this page and you can
> > organize
> view
> > content of this files using officeviewer macro, also existing
> > pictire viewing and charts drawing ...
> > - In XWiki you can add tasks to this page (exist special macro)
> > - In XWiki you can connect this page to other pages (wiki,
> > documentation,
> > etc)
> > - In XWiki you can construct personal dashboards and gadgets
> > - Also existing light calculations. If you need more calculations -
> > you
> can
> > write own macro ...
> > What else exists in Google Wave and don't exists in XWiki? I don't
> > know
> ...
> > (maybe another idea of interface). XWiki give you more - because you
> > can add additional macros, add additional functionality (for example
> > blogs,
> forums,
> > etc). For this reason, I think, that XWiki is enought for colaboration.
> > Difference from Google Wave - that you need to "construct" in XWiki
> > you
> own
> > "application". You can see examples of such applications:
> > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Chronopolys
> >
> > --
> > Best regards
> > Eugen Colesnicov
> >
> >
> >
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