I'll check it out. Thanks a lot for this effort Ludovic
2011/11/29 Roman Muntyanu <[email protected]> > Hello Ludovic, > > It took me a month to gather all of the material in one place, so sorry > for delay with the reply :) > I've prepared a presentation describing my vision of how collaboration > wikis will change in next few decades > http://prezi.com/nymm70tfdird/next-gen-collaboration-wikis/ > Hope that effort was not in vain, and you will find something useful > that will help to make XWiki better. > > Regards, > Roman > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf > Of Ludovic Dubost > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 18:27 PM > To: XWiki Users > Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Extending XWiki collaboration toolset > > I'm not so positive about this. The technology behind the LibreOffice > Online version is a bit tricky and it's not clear how it will work > effectively. > We should wait and see. > > Some thing for Wave, it's not clear how it will be developped in the > future and it seems that the Google experience had shown that the way they > mixed Inbox + Editing Documents + Chat was not the correct solution (beyond > the real time technology in it). > > In any case integrating editors for advanced formats is definitively > interesting and is something we should look at. We have the Resilience > Research Project (starting in 2012) on which it is planned to work on Rich > Web Editors. More on it will come before the end of the year. It will > include work on Spreadsheet editors. If anybody knows of good Web based > editors for popular formats that we should look at, tell us. > > As for real-time this is very interesting also. We have the Wiki 3.0 > project (https://wiki30.xwikisas.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome in > French) where XWiki SAS is doing some work with the INRIA LORIA on > integrating real time in the Wysiwyg editor (with technologies similar to > Wave). This is work in progress. > > I'd love to hear from our devs and users what they think we should have in > this area ? > > Ludovic > > 2011/10/18 Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> > > > Hi, > > > > I think that this is an interesting and valid point. In the same way > > that users can get a preview of OOo-supported attached files right > > now, we could integrate use OOo's upcoming HTML5 version in XWiki > > (when it's ready). From this article: > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/17/libreoffice_porting_ios_androi > > d_cloud/ > > : > > > > *The LibreOffice Online cloud software is built around HTML5 Canvas > > and the > > GTK+ framework with JavaScript shims, and was developed by SUSE's > > GTK+ Michael > > Meeks and RedHat's Alex Laarson. It allows complex text layout, large > > spreadsheets, WYSIWYG editing, VBA macros, and pivot tables, with the > > server side taking almost the entire processor load.* > > > > > > So that would seem to answer your initial issue :-) You could upload a > > .odt file, edit it online from the wiki, save it and it would be > > viewable from the wiki or re-downloadable at will. > > > > Guillaume > > > > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Eugen Colesnicov > > <[email protected] > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > coldserenity wrote: > > > > > > > > ... the UX of the Wave (in this particular case and because > > > > Wave is > > a > > > > specialized tool) is superior. > > > > > > > > > > I am not agree with you. Good idea - but realisation - terrible! > > > 1. Google used some special interface functions - they thinking, > > > that > > these > > > possibilities will be web-standarts - but they got a mistake. For > > > this reason, Wave working quickly and without problems only on > > > Google Chrome (only this browser supports all these non-standart > functions). > > > 2. Try Wave with Firefox at simple computer (netbook for example) - > > cannot > > > work on big waves (hundred messages)!!! I press one button and > > > waiting > > 3-5 > > > secunds per each symbol. It is not problem of notebook - Windows 7, > > > MS Office working great and quickly! > > > 3. Too many errors on scripts - every 5 minutes I got error - script > > > bla-bla-bla stopped! > > > > > > I have experience with Google Wave with big waves of hundreds waves > > > - for this reason I known what I said. > > > > > > However it's not the Wave I was trying to promote by this thread, > > > it > > was > > > just an example of advanced user interaction User-to-User and > > User-to-Wiki: > > > advanced documents editing for most popular types of documents > > > (text, spreadsheet, and presentation). I understand the complexity > > > of this task (it took 20 years for Microsoft to build their MS > > > Office), but the question > > is: > > > I often consider whether to upload a MS Office file as an attachment > > > or maintain the file's content as an XWiki page - and sooner or > > > later > > someone > > > will come up with such solution ( Open-source wiki + Open-Source > > > Google Docs > > > :) ). So it's not about writing some missing extension - it's about > > taking > > > XWiki to the next level in terms of content editing. > > > > > > Roman > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: users-bounces@ [mailto:users-bounces@] On Behalf Of Eugen > > Colesnicov > > > Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 20:46 PM > > > To: users@ > > > Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Extending XWiki collaboration toolset > > > > > > Hi! I am not a developer of XWiki, but I am using XWiki 2 years and > > > your questions are closed to me. > > > > > > 1. Wave is a new project (as a apache open-source project). It is > > > started as a Google Wave, after Google "forgot it" and Wave migrated > > > to the apache incubator. As I know for now - Wave as a independent > > > open-source project didn't realise yet in production - for this > > > reason, developers of other platforms right now cannot be sure > > > exactly of future API, future functionality and other things of Wave > > > ... Discuss about integration with it can be started after Wave will > > > be released in a production. > > > > > > 2. XWiki is not only a final user-product "from the box" - is a > > > "base" of your possible product (application). And regarding to > "collaboration" > > XWiki > > > can give to users more and more. For example, as a small comparison > > > with Google Wave: > > > - In XWiki you can add "pages" - same in Wave you can add "waves" > > > - In XWiki you can write any comments to this page and comments to > > > the comments (tree organized). > > > - In XWiki you can sent messages inside XWiki > > > - In XWiki you can attach any files to this page and you can > > > organize > > view > > > content of this files using officeviewer macro, also existing > > > pictire viewing and charts drawing ... > > > - In XWiki you can add tasks to this page (exist special macro) > > > - In XWiki you can connect this page to other pages (wiki, > > > documentation, > > > etc) > > > - In XWiki you can construct personal dashboards and gadgets > > > - Also existing light calculations. If you need more calculations - > > > you > > can > > > write own macro ... > > > What else exists in Google Wave and don't exists in XWiki? I don't > > > know > > ... > > > (maybe another idea of interface). XWiki give you more - because you > > > can add additional macros, add additional functionality (for example > > > blogs, > > forums, > > > etc). For this reason, I think, that XWiki is enought for colaboration. > > > Difference from Google Wave - that you need to "construct" in XWiki > > > you > > own > > > "application". You can see examples of such applications: > > > http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Chronopolys > > > > > > -- > > > Best regards > > > Eugen Colesnicov > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > > > > > > > > http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/Extending-XWiki-collaboration-toolse > > t-tp6900649p6901630.html > > > Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > users mailing list > > > users@ > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > _______________________________________________ > > > users mailing list > > > users@ > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > > > > -- > > > View this message in context: > > > > > http://xwiki.475771.n2.nabble.com/Extending-XWiki-collaboration-toolse > > t-tp6900649p6902014.html > > > Sent from the XWiki- Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > users mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > users mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > > > > > > -- > Ludovic Dubost > Founder and CEO > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ > XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com > Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > _______________________________________________ > users mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users > -- Ludovic Dubost Founder and CEO Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
