Sorry to Marcus, he will get it twice, but from an internet cafe I cannot
change adressees, so I will have to use Answer All and leave the adrresses asd
they are, so that it goes to Marcus and the USMA list. A message that I tried
to send a few days ago after having changed the addresses went lost that way.
Americanism is partly imposed on us by Americans, but what is worse, it is also
imposed on us by a 'fifth column' of our own people. I only need to give the
Maporama people as an example, these Frenchmen who impose ifp trash on their
fellow Europeans and other people living in metric nations. Such attitudes make
me sick: they are the emenmy witin. It is always possible to oppose Americans
who indulge in it. There was a Mr Goudreau (Not French, but USA) around 1999
who insisted that labels on prepacked goods in metric countries should have USC
units take pride of place, with metric secondary. Why we should have to do
that, only because a country about 5000 km away is addicted to old-English
units upheld by metric standards, is beyond me. I hope that Mr Goudreau will
get a box on the ear in 2010 when the EU refuses to grant other extensions.
Mr Goudreau's stand proves the real aim of the TABD campaign.
Although I vastly prefer the more socialist economic systems in Europe, I have
always detested Soviet and other forms of totalitarian communism. I regard them
as red-painted fascism because the atrocities that were committed under these
systems are at a par with the Hitler atrocities.
Sometimes I call ifp also 'second hand metric units', calling them thusly
should show that these units are so depraved and corrupted that in order to
exist, they have to parasite on the global system of units, SI.
In Ireland office space is now mostly sold in euro per m2. Land in acres and/or
hectares.
Han
Now in Ireland'
Citeren Ma Be <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 15:02:05
> Jim Elwell wrote:
> >At 01:34 PM 12 July 2002 -0700, Ma Be wrote:
> >>On Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:52:23
> >> Jim Elwell wrote:
> >> >...Europeans are hardly the only people using or promoting the metric
> >> system,
> >> >and hardly deserve sole credit for its spread.
> >> >
> >>Perhaps so. However, Anglo-saxons in general are *certainly* the ones
> >>(maybe even the ONLY ones) fighting it!!!
> >
> >Interesting that someone from Brazil and Canada does not take firmer
> >exception to Madan's giving credit for metrication to Europeans. I agree
> >with your second statement.
> >
> Well... I guess that it's just that we acknowledge that Europe is the
> birthplace of the SI system. Evidently we did metricate our countries on our
> own, however, we do not (or have not, so far) get involved with metrication
> issues outside our respective countries, except for those in this group,
> evidently...
> ...
> >Perhaps I used the word confusingly; by "socialization" I mean "degree of
> >government-forced socialism." One does not have to live in Europe to know
> >that, politically, most European countries are substantially more socialist
>
> >than the USA.
> >
> Wait a second here, Jim, please. Noone *forced* socialistic types of regimes
> in Europe. Practically all countries in Europe that follow these regimes
> CHOSE to be so via democratic elections!!!
>
> BTW, I do like some of these "regimes", as I feel they have tremendous
> advantages in many aspects like health care (like in Canada... ;-) ).
> ...
> >I know perfectly well that my views are somewhat "radical" or "overboard"
> >to many list members. I still wonder why so many members of this listserver
>
> >have what are, to me, such radical socialist views (again, using
> >"socialist" in its political meaning).
> >
> I honestly see nothing wrong in espousing a more... "socialist" view of
> certain aspects of society's life, Jim. Democracy is NOT hurt by such...
> "variations" IMHO. That's perhaps where I and other members here would part
> company with your views.
>
> >>But, I guess the main point that Madan was perhaps trying to make was that
>
> >>Americans DO push their way of life onto others, under the auspices of (or
>
> >>under the hideous umbrella of) marketing gimmickery!
> >
> >Here is where I think you go overboard, Marcus: -- blaming the success of
> >American companies in other countries on their "marketing gimmickery."
>
> First of all, who talked about "success" here?! Second of all, you
> unfortunately seem to fail to recognize the *TREMENDOUS* power of marketing,
> propaganda, the media, etc! This is part of the heart of the problem, my
> friend. Therefore, I respectfully disagree, my dear friend. And it's not a
> matter of "blaming" Americans for this. As I mentioned earlier, you guys are
> the undisputed kings of this wonderful business tool. It's just that you
> unfortunately use this too much in favor of your own values, beliefs, etc,
> something (which I hope you will agree, at least to a certain extent) that
> helps fuel anti-Americanism around the world (just please think about it).
>
> >Marketing can get someone to buy a product, but it cannot keep them coming
>
> >back. McDonalds, et. al. are successful because PEOPLE LIKE THEIR PRODUCT!!
>
> >If the French did not like Big Macs, they wouldn't buy them and McDonalds
> >would sell something else or go out of business in France.
> >
> True, but you don't need to attach that to culture! You see, that's the
> heart of the conundrum here. There are many *strategies* for
> "globalization". I went over what these are in another post sometime ago
> here (and I hope you remember that essay of mine). The main contention is
> that NAC put too much emphasis on ONE of these strategies at the detriment of
> other equally worthy ones, and this causes a lot of resentment around, *even*
> if such products become... "successful"!
>
> >To presume otherwise is to put oneself in a position of judging what is
> >best for others, and criticizing them when they behave different from that
>
> >judgement. You don't have to like McDonalds yourself, but I think it is
> >incorrect to claim their success is due to marketing rather than the fact
> >that people like what they sell.
> >
> I realize that. What you said has merits, but again, you seem to fail to
> consider the main crux I was referring to, and that deals with business and
> corporate strategy theory. One can be successful at selling a product
> *without* alienating the peoples these are being sold to.
>
> Talking about McDonald's, for instance, you probably should know that they
> are being quite smart about their strategy as they do not sell ALL their
> products *the same way*, i.e they follow a different approach adjusting their
> product to the *local taste*! If you try their burger, for instance, they
> will certainly taste and will be dressed differently depending on where you
> eat them! (Did you know that?)
> >...
> >Pretty much the same comment: if everyone in a country does not like the
> >"one size fits all" product from a differing country/culture, then it would
>
> >fail as a product.
>
> In addition, not necessarily, Jim. The above may be true but only to an
> extent. And let me quote the football situation, for example, to illustrate
> what I mean. This (sorry if I offend you or any other fan here) silly
> "sport" has *always* been unsuccessful in my country, just like the yucky
> grapefruit (ugh!), but you know what? They keep coming and coming and coming
> and coming! Unbelievable! These jerks just don't get it!! I wish I could
> yell in their ears: HEY, you, go home and shove this crap... Stop bugging us
> with this thing! But does it work? No, it doesn't, they just keep insisting
> on pushing this stuff. !@#$%!@#$@! "I fogo na roupa!" :-(
>
> That it succeeds means some portion of the population
> >DOES like it.
>
> And then, yes, when they find some minorities, or a market niche, then they
> keep at it to push their way into bullying others to follow suit! If this is
> not an imperialistic appalling practice I don't know what is, Jim!
>
> > Why do those who don't then proceed to castigate the
> >companies that provide these products?
> >
> We actually do in some cases, like with my football example above, but they
> keep coming and coming... When will this nonsense stop??? How can we
> prevent this flooding and psychological bullying? That is the question
> (also!).
>
> Marcus
>
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