Let's not forget that UVM is providing this service for free. I for one am grateful that they have continued to do so for so many years as it has been a great help to small organizations. I say if you don't like the service, don't criticize it, jump ship and use another, or start your own if you have the resources. It's not all that difficult. The last thing we want is for UVM to say "You know, this thing is more of a pain than it's worth. Let's just shut it down."
Steve Barner Bolton On Sat, Feb 7, 2026 at 10:44 AM Paul Flint <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings fellow Lurkers, > > Got this note and I would like to clarify the ramifications here. > > Regards, > > Paul Flint, Director > Barre Open Systems Institute > > > > > On Sat, Feb 7, 2026 at 7:11 AM Marcantonio Rendino < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> so… the LISTSERV had trouble (see below) because it was delivering mail >> in such a way as to trigger spam filters (see URL in "last reported error") >> - and its response to this, is to delete my address from the list - and >> victim-blame me 😏 >> >> I'd call that an erroneous response; the disagreement is between >> anti-spam policies at the receiving mailserver, and the LISTSERV sending >> config. >> >> having run large mailserver infrastructure before, I'm intimately >> familiar with the problem. it's a pain (caused by the _other_ jerks out >> there, who send real spam, and worse) - but it is the way of the email >> world now. >> >> and unfortunately, a pain which will likely get worse over time, having >> an increasing negative impact on users of any infrastructure which doesn't >> adapt to changing conditions - frequently; yet another unfortunate game of >> whack-a-mole. >> >> FWIW >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *"UVM LISTSERV Server (17.5)" <[email protected]> >> *…* >> >> You have been automatically deleted from the VAGUE list (Vermont Area >> Group of Unix Enthusiasts) as a result of repeated delivery error reports >> from your mail system. This action was based on the list's automatic error >> monitoring policy and has not been reviewed or otherwise confirmed by a >> person. If you receive this message, then there is a problem. While you are >> obviously able to receive mail, your mail system has been regularly >> reporting that your account did not exist or that you were otherwise >> permanently unable to receive mail. Here is some information that may >> assist you in determining the cause of this problem: >> >> * The deleted subscription address is [email protected]. >> >> * The first error was reported on 2026-02-02. >> >> * Since then, a total of 2 delivery errors have been received. >> >> * The last reported error was: 5.7.1 554 5.7.1 [BS01] Message rejected >> due to local policy. Please visit >> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204137 >> >> Please do not ignore this message. While you can re-subscribe to the >> list, it is important for you to report this problem to your mail >> administrator so that it can be solved. This problem is not specific to the >> VAGUE list and may also affect your other mail. Anyone trying to send you >> mail during the same time frame might have received the same errors for the >> same reason. >> >>
