We have have a good understanding and treaty made with Israel on training 
Indian inelligence officers of ATS  / Armed forces  etc etc , send them to 
Israel for training quite often.....

This kind of Indian Intelligence will not run India for too long........ abunc 
of 100 terrorists taking Mumbai for Ransom.....

Now where are the Politicians who were taking about driving UP & Bihar's 
Bhaiyaaa's out of Mumbai......  ?????

Not heard from them for too long   !!!!!!!!!!!

Saley Gharme Chup Gaye Sub ke Sub.....



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Nayan Mapani 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:59 AM
  Subject: Re:Stop the Menace!!!!


  I changed the headline, it is not the Mumbai shootings, in fact a war. How 
else would you justify battalions of NSG commando's flown from Delhi, Navy 
commando's, IAF helicopters, Rapid action force personnels and around 800 
police men manning the three important buildings! 

  Well, Subu it is a very good suggestion to start thinking about ways and 
means to prevent such a situation in future!!! It is so very evident that 
resources are not at large for putting things in perspective but what we lack 
is basic planning and a political will to stop this!! I dont understand why is 
it so difficult to avert such situations? I mean we have an example in front of 
us, U.S mein ek parinde ne bhi per nahi mara after the 9/11, U.K has had no 
terror casualties after the train blasts, remember they foiled the attempt of 
the indian born mujaideens at Glasgow airport! Why cant we follow their foot 
steps, we do follow them for all other things but why not for this! I keep 
hearing and reading the news that there was a warning issued long time back 
about the porous sea borders and Narendra Modi went on to add that he had 
already stated this long time back. I mean what the hell are we doing, if these 
politicians know the possible threat zones and they still want to sit and pass 
the buck I must say only GOD save this country!!!! This is as good as knowing 
about the crime and keeping mum which is punishable under the IPC! How can you 
just keep quiet?????? To my mind, the first thing  what should be done is to 
withdraw all the security men from these politicians! All the politicians are 
so rich even officially that they can afford to have their own security men! 
They can travel in their bullet proof cars and wear bullet proof jackets if 
they are so concerned about their safety! Why should public pay for their 
safety when they care a damn about ours! Increase the salaries of all the 
police men, army,security agencies and give them performance based bonuses! 
Every time they foil a plausible terrorist attack they should be rewarded and 
if they fail in their attempt they should be penalised and sacked if 
needed.Increase the force, give them the power, choose the right candidates for 
the right spot and no politician will decide about their appointment or their 
transfers. It should be decided by the judiciary, high court judges 
preferrably. Invest in the technology, equipments and instruments needed to 
prevent such attacks! Security cameras on each and every street of all the 
cities, not alone railway stations or airports! Security cameras inside the 
police stations and it should be connected to the local cable operators, every 
citizen has the right to know whether the  Policemen whom we actually trust our 
lives upon discharge their duties efficiently or not! Make them accountable at 
every stage, all court proceedings should be aired live too! There should be a 
body of intellectual ppl formed above this level whose job is to keep a tab on 
the daily proceedings and they must report to the local news channels about the 
number of incidents that take place in their jurisdiction.


  If the politicians need resources to build this secured environment we are  
ready to pay more taxes but if they fail they should be sacked instantly and 
never be ever allowed to contest any elections!!!! The gist of the matter is 
that make each and every public servant accountable at every level! I have no 
doubt in my mind that if there is a strong will to set things right no one can 
even think of even causing a scratch on us, forget about the terrorism!!!!!!!

  I dont know how you guys have taken this episode, but i havent been able to 
sleep that well! The first thing what comes to my mind is the death of the ATS 
chief and i just cant imagine how could we let him die like this. He was such 
an upright officer, engineer and an IPS officer to boot! The same holds true 
for all the policemen who have laid their lives for this cause! Hats off to all 
of them including all the commanders who are involved in flushing out the 
terrorists! India has the potential to become the super power by 2015, forget 
about 2025 but we got to wake up now and should not let this episode pass by 
just like that. This is a big lesson to be learnt, biggest terrorist attack in 
the indian history to date, i guess this shold be a good enough reason for us 
to actually wake up!!!! JAGO INDIA JAGO before it is too late.


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  From: subramaniam sreenivasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: [email protected]
  Sent: Friday, 28 November, 2008 3:54:00 AM
  Subject: RE: Bombay Shootings

  I feel the same anger and frustration as all of you ...
   
  What do you all think is a solution? I know the answer is not easy, but what 
is a good start?
   
  Are we prepared for real tough terror laws where some innocents will 
inevitably suffer for ensuring safety of most of the citizens? Are we prepared 
to pay a terror tax for the Mumbai Govt to invest in resources to prevent and 
react to terrorist attacks better?
   
  It is so painful to see the Havaldars taking positions with those big 10 KG 
hunting Rifles that can fire only 2 shots. Lifting that thing and taking aim 
will take more than a minute. Why can't they be given pistols with which they 
can run and react better?
   
  As a start, security cameras should be put in all key railway stations, 
hotels and buildings and be monitored constantly. If need be let the railways 
charge 50 paise safety surcharge on every ticket and let the hotels charge 
guests Rs 50 a day extra for security. Just a thought ..



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  Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:11:11 +0530
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Re: Bombay Shootings
  To: [email protected]



  I can understand the anguish in your language, we are equally pissed off! 
These terrorists have been speaking Punjabi and are from Punjab district of 
Pakistan! They all came via the porous sea route on the soutern tip of Mumbai! 
We had a few guests who have come from South Africa, my wife had taken them to 
Canary Caves and Taj for a routine Mumbai Darshan just 2 days back and these 
ppl are shell shocked! Yesterday, they had been to Bandstand, Taj's lands end 
for refreshments, excatly at the same time so much happened in south Mumbai! I 
am so relieved everyone is the same in my set up but cannot imagine the plight 
of ppl who have lost their families! My heart goes out to all those hostages 
who are holed up still and for our real heroes, Hemant Karkare, Vijay Salaskar 
and some more policemen who laid their lives in the pursuit of bringing safety 
to citizens! 

  I am so disturbed with the P.M and Advani's plans to come to Mumbai and 
actually disrupting our army and NSG commondos operations who are doing such a 
wonderful job.Remember,everytime a V.I.P comes the entire police force is 
behind them to give them security. Why should they be coming here in the first 
place! What will they do coming here, enough of politics!!! Someone should tell 
them that we dont need them here! Our PM has said that they will have more 
stricter terror laws after today, blah blah! What the hell, when will they 
think about preventing such incedents! Why do we always react so late? Enough 
is enough, Ppl must wake up and start demanding their rights from these 
politicians. I can go on and on but then what's the point. Do you know our fire 
brigade ppl struggled to get the water till the 5th floor of the Taj to 
extinguish the fire. We dont even have the basic infrastructure in place, bahut 
ho gaya! Forget about the spirit! We want this menance to end, ppl should not 
forget the sacrificies of the brave policemen and army ppl just like that!!!! I 
salute them!!






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