Jonathan Revusky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>> 
>> On Tuesday, June 17, 2003, at 08:50 AM, Eelco Hillenius wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe this is a subject to start a new list on. It's really not the 
>>> kind of
>>> discussions I joined this list for.
>> 
>> 
>> Jonathan comes over every now and then to let us know about the great 
>> new features in FreeMarker.  

>In my defense, on this occasion, Henning Schmiedehausen did ask me for a 
>list of features that FM had that were lacking in Vel. And I provided 
>that list.

Yes. And it was nice from you to compile it. Thanks again.

As I said numerous times, you or any other FM developer or user is
happily welcome on the turbine-dev list to suggest how to implement FM
support in Turbine, help developers willing to do it how to do it or
simply send in patches.

But I (as a Turbine developer) listen to the demands of the people
that send me mail and/or post to turbine-users. I just sent out a
question to this list whether anyone of the subscribers there
needs/wants FM support. I will listen to the response. If there is no
response or interest, there will be no work in this direction until
either the day comes that _I_ will need it or some other developer
implements it or simply a customer pays me for it.

Once again, there is no cabal. You would be surprised that there is
neither a "unified front" of jakarta developers nor a "wow, it's
Jakarta, it must be better than anything else" attitude in the Jakarta
projects.

I'd suggest that you come over to turbine-dev or turbine-users to
discuss this further and we leave the velocity lists to the velocity
people.

But I must say, that the tone, the insults and even the assumption of
"hidden motives" that some of the postings from FM developers
contained were quite strange, considering the fact that I as a person
wasn't involved in removing the code nor did I have any opinion (or
even knowledge) about the deeper inner workings of FM before this
thread (I have now and I have a first impression of the people working
on the project).

        Regards
                Henning


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