Re: [vascular] paid advertising

[Heather Nichols]

Bravo Randy. Heather >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9/26/2006 1:41 AM >>> Sarah, I belong to both groups.  But,  I have not been to Vascular in years...... Your group is the only group I get messages from.  I just wanted you to know that No matter what you do with the site I will continue to be a member of Venous.  As for Vascular,  He has had Ads on his site for many, many years.  He may not be profiting from the ads but they are there.  So if keeping you solvent LOL  means that we have ads on Venous then so be it.  We have went for years with no ads and believe me, If it were my site I would be charging for the knowledge that is espoused on Venous.  I have had my detractors on here (Hell we all have) LOL.  But the sincerity of the members of Venous always outweigh my moments of headache.  Keep up the good work,  I have learned more on this listserve than I could have ever learned in nursing practice alone.  And you are t he reason that we can help each other in tight spots.  As for Vascular, and especially Doug, yes you Doug.  You have no scruples if you forwarded Sarah's Email.  Go ahead and delete my membership or ban me!  You have always sponged information from others and rarely ever gave the same in return.  And this is fact, people.  I have asked him for assistance and never received even a polite response in return.  So, live on Venous and what was the name of the other group?  Just my two cents and then some.  Personally, I do not care if some are upset by this email.  I am tired of Nurses eating their young and I am sick that there are Nurses out there that won't help other Nurses even if it is to help them start their own business.  I help when I can!  Some of you I have talked with on the phone and others in emails.  Remember to help others and Hell, Pay Sarah if she asks you. LOL Randy -- Randy Ross R.N., B.S.N. IV Nurse Consultant, President & C.E.O. IV's Etc...  LLC Vascular Access     & Consulting Ph: 317-541-6463 Fax: 317-894-7709 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: www.IVsEtc.com -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Sarah Kuykendall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I'm almost speechless.  This is just what I was afraid of when I sent this > message > PRIVATELY to Doug.  Why would he want to pass it on?  This wasn't exactly > the > Nixon tapes.  I've been doing this listserv with no compensation for over 12 > years. > I'm not really planning on making a fortune at this.  I'm retired and like > it that way. > This website is costing me a lot of money and time and I couldn't do it at > all without > some sort of funding. My not-so-hi dden agenda is to make enough money with > it to > start other websites to do the same thing for other specialties.  If I make > some extra > money, great.  If not, I'll be happy to just break even.  It never even > occurred to me > to charge the subscribers. It all started when I turned 60 and  tried to > think of a way > I could further contribute and this is what I came up with.  My prime motive > is to help > nurses. > > Over the years, I've seen many many posts.  A good many of them are to ask > for > things like policies and procedures, forms, bibliographies, etc.  It seemed > to me that > just having them in one place would be helpful to a lot of people.  Also, > many of > our subscribers only last a few days because of the volume of mail.  The > volume here > is amazing for such a small specialt y. A website would allow for those who > want a lot > of input what they want and for those who want to pick and choose what they > want. > I'm sure a lot of you will miss the e-mail at first, but I'm hoping you'll > go through > the learning curve of a different format.  There will also be a search > function so that > if you just want to find out about some topic, you can look just for that. > The forum > will still not allow advertising - just the pages on the site itself (you've > seen them- > the banners).  Also, I'm going to allow advertisers to send e-mail > announcing new > products IF the subscriber wants them.  When you first sign up you will be > given > that option. > > I don't even know Doug, but we've had similar problems in the past.  I'm not > afraid > of the competition.  Venous has twice the subscription that vascular does. > It just seems > unneccessarily repetitive.  Also, when the forum starts -  cross-posting > ends. > This has put me in a strange position.  Since this is out there I felt a > need to respond, > but I don't want this to turn into an on-line war.  Nancy, would you please > send this > on to "vascular" and if anyone else has something to say about this message > send it > to "vascular", Doug ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) or send it to me privately > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). > > Thanks for your patience and support! > > PS.  The website is getting there - what was two weeks is now two months, > but I've > put up most of the content and I'm still waiting for the designer to finish > his part. > Also, there will be a calendar so let me know if there are any meetings, > classes or > whatever you want published.   It looks like it will be up within two weeks. > > > Sarah Kuykendall > 3410 SE Vineyard Rd > Milwaukie, OR 97267 > 503-786-8228 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > fax 503-905-0930 > http://www.mail-archive.com/venous%40mailsrv1.ohsu.edu/index.html > www.hungersite.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Moureau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, September 25, 2006 12:17 PM > Subject: RE: [vascular] paid advertising > > > > Doug, > > Did Sarah mean for this correspondence to be public? Did you have her > > permission prior to posting? > > > > Sarah did not say anything about charging members, simply that advertise rs > > would provide some funding in turn for banners ads etc. Sarah has spent > > many > > hours, dollars and many years creating this first venous list group. > > Doug's > > vascular group started a few years later. Doug, why did you create the > > vascular group when there was already a venous group? > > > > Sarah deserves at least our consideration in viewing the new set up and > > determining the benefits. It seems appropriate to consider the joining of > > the two groups. Doug, if you get no benefit from the vascular yahoogroup, > > why would you not consider a merge? Sarah, you have always had our best > > interests in mind and I for one support you 100%. I am excited to see what > > you are creating. > > > > Nancy Moureau, BSN, CRNI > > PICC Excellence, Inc. > > 888-714-1951 > > www.piccexcellence.com > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > On 9/23/06, Doug Buehrle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >>   Sarah, > >> Our list really is a non profit and I personally do not profit from > >> the list. We do not charge sponsorships etc. It is a free service to > >> nurses. Although our list has been a little less restrictive when it > >> comes to products and postings about products we do not wish to > >> dissolve our list at the request of those on the venous list. However > >> we are fully support of the venous list and find that both have been > >> extremely helpful to nurses. The fact that Venous is now going to > >> become a profit center I feel we need a site that does not charge for > >> advertising. Our list is growing by 15 members a week recently and our > >> over all membership has members from 30 or more countries. Vascular > >> wishes Sarah the best as she moves forward in her website based site. > >> > >> Doug > >> > >> > >> > >> Doug, you probably know I'm converting the venous list to a website. I > >> really don't want to compete with you and I'm hoping we can find some > >> kind of agreement. Would you consider closing your list and refer your > >> members to the website if I gave you a year's free advertising? I want > >> this site to be successful so that I can start similar websites for > >> other specialties. If I remember right you started "vascular" so that > >> you could advertise. Would you be interested in this? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Sarah > >> > > > > >> Sarah Kuykendall > >> 3410 SE Vineyard Rd > >> Milwaukie, OR 97267 > >> > >> Douglas Buehrle RN CEO > >> Triangle Vascular Access Professionals Inc. > >> Offices in Nebraska and North Carolina > >> 16 Briarfield Ct > >> Durham, NC 27713 > >> (919) 321 6105 office > >> (919) 215 6957 cell > >> > >> You can trust TVAP with all your vascular access needs. > >> > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Roger Soriano, RN > > Vascular Access Specialists > > 818-687-8348 > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: > > This e-mail message, including all attachments, > > is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) an d > > may contain confidential and privileged information. > > If you are not the intended recipient, you may NOT > > use, disclose, copy or disseminate this information. > > Please contact the sender by reply e-mail > > immediately and destroy all copies of the > > original message including all attachments. > > Your cooperation is greatly appreciated. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > MedComp Proud Sponsor of the Vascular List Serve. > > Yahoo! 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