To not clutter, but actually de-clutter the interface, the "Show remote changes" and "Show local changes" menu items could be merged into a "Show changes" menu item that have every kind of modifier key combination of cmd-d bound to it, so you can have "Show local changes with..." in the same menu item.

I wish I lived a short trip away from Amsterdam so I could join your Versions Beer Event. ;)


-Asbjørn


On Thu, 02 Dec 2010 15:19:58 +0100, Marijn <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Dirk,

I'm sorry, I have a lot of trouble with your suggested solution and
your argumentation.
If I wanted to create scripts to enhance my workflow I'd probably not
want to use a GUI in the first place.
And wouldn't you say that the interface is already too cluttered if
comparisons can be initiated from so many places in the app? Who
knows...
I don't know cocoa but my guess is that adding an extra menu "open
with" shouldn't be that hard.
Or adding a menu when you hold down the remote/local changes button
showing you a list of editors to select from.
I find it odd that thus far I'm the only one that has requested this
"feature"/"reported this bug" but I guess there aren't a lot of people
merging since it's not supported from within Versions.
I understand that managing expectations is hard and that development
in general is even harder.
Though IMO I've always gotten the feeling that 1.1 would be a
significant upgrade.
I love the fact that I can organize my bookmarks in folders and the
new timeline view is a big improvement.
But the fact that you still can't switch between "show all" and
"changed" view without losing the way you had expanded folders is
really annoying.
Maybe that's just me but most of the issues that are important
regarding workflow have not yet been resolved which is really too bad
if your waiting a year for an update.

Again this is starting to look way too much like a rant which is not
why I'm here. Apologies for that, maybe grabbing a beer together would
be a better forum for this discussion :-)

Kindest regards,

Marijn

On Dec 2, 2:09 pm, Dirk Stoop <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Marijn,

With the many places in the app that let you open a comparison, just
adding this one 'simple feature' is very hard to do without making
Versions' interface more complicated.

Secondly, so far you're the only person who requested this feature. We
prioritize the features we implement by which ones – we believe – have
the biggest impact.

This one didn't make the cut primarily for the first reason — we don't
want to clutter Versions' interface and destroy the best thing about
Versions, but also for the second.

I think the real solution to this particular feature request is
scriptability, maybe similar to how some apps let you add your own
scripts to a menu somewhere in the app (complete with keyboard
shortcuts). That's a major undertaking, and therefore will have to be
weighed against other 'big features', but it's a lot more appealing to
me than adding an option to temporarily switch diffing apps for every
comparison everywhere in the app.

I hope this sheds some light on why this 'one simple issue' hasn't
been 'resolved' in 1.1.

Cheers,
- Dirk

the Versions team

On Dec 2, 12:15 pm, Marijn <[email protected]> wrote:



> I'm really disappointed to see that this issue has not been resolved
> in 1.1

> Was my problem set unclear?
> To me it seems pretty straightforward that one would love to merge
> with FileMerge and view changes with Kaleidoscope.

> The workflow to support that right now is non-existent at best.

> Damn, I hate the fact that I've become such a negative nancy when it
> comes to Versions...

> Kindest regards,

> Marijn

> On Nov 18, 12:22 pm, Marijn <[email protected]> wrote:

> > It's not as much the support for Kaleidoscope itself but more for
> > having the option to switch between filemerge en Kaleidoscope. Using
> > the former for merging and the latter for viewing changes.

> > Anyway, I'm abandoning SVN in favor of Git. This is only a concern for
> > me on the project I'm about to finish. I merely wanted to point out
> > the problem set this creates for people that have to merge changes now
> > and again when they use Kaleidoscope.

> > Kindest regards,

> > Marijn

> > On Nov 17, 9:27 pm, Rob Rye <[email protected]> wrote:

> > > I have licenses for both. I don't really see any significant difference in the support for using Kaleidoscope in Cornerstone as compared with Versions.

> > > Rob
> > > On Nov 17, 2010, at 8:03 AM, Marijn wrote:

> > > > My trial copy of CS expired so I cannot confirm for 100% but as I
> > > > remember it has a "Compare with" option on a per file bases.

> > > > Exactly what we need in Versions...

> > > > On Nov 8, 10:04 pm, Dirk Stoop <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >> Maybe I'm missing something, but exactly how does Cornerstone have
> > > >> better support for Kaleidoscope than Versions?

> > > >> Thanks,
> > > >> - Dirk

> > > >> On Oct 28, 7:44 pm, Marijn <[email protected]> wrote:

> > > >>> Funny, the competition has better support for using Kaleidoscope than
> > > >>> Sofa itself...

> > > >>>http://www.zennaware.com/cornerstone

> > > >>> On Oct 17, 4:49 pm, Quinn Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:

> > > >>>> Don't assume it won't be in the future. This email group is not the only way to get the devs' attention, or to judge what will and won't be supported. Check out the FAQ and email them directly here:

> > > >>>>http://www.kaleidoscopeapp.com/support

> > > >>>>  - Quinn

> > > >>>> On Oct 17, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Marijn wrote:

> > > >>>>> Well I take it this is not supported and given the lack of team
> > > >>>>> response it won't be in the future either...

> > > >>>>> On Oct 11, 7:08 pm, Quinn Taylor <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> It's true, no merge on the feature list.

> > > >>>>>>http://www.kaleidoscopeapp.com/

> > > >>>>>> Notice the emphasis on *spotting* changes quickly. Merge is not yet supported, but I imagine it will have to in order to survive and thrive amid competitors which *do* support merging.

> > > >>>>>>  - Quinn

> > > >>>>>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 9:58 AM, pSouper wrote:

> > > >>>>>>> really? Kaleidoscope doesn't merge? what good is a diff tool that > > > >>>>>>> can't merge? i'd be surpised and shocked i it didn't allow you to > > > >>>>>>> merge files - i've just bought it but haven't got around to opening > > > >>>>>>> yet so i'd go as far as being discussted... i'm popping off to test it
> > > >>>>>>> now.

> > > >>>>>>> On Oct 6, 6:43 am, Marijn <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>>> *cough*

> > > >>>>>>>> On Sep 29, 5:17 pm, Marijn <[email protected]> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>>> I'm having a little workflow problem with Kaleidoscope.

> > > >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately Kaleidoscope doesn't have merge support (WTF????). > > > >>>>>>>>> I often need to merge changes, so I'll have to do that with good ol'
> > > >>>>>>>>> filemerge.
> > > >>>>>>>>> How do I switch easily between filemerge and kaleidoscope as diff
> > > >>>>>>>>> viewer from the interface in Versions?
> > > >>>>>>>>> Going into the preference pane every time seems a bit cumbersome...

> > > >>>>>>>>> Kindest regards,

> > > >>>>>>>>> Marijn

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