That's what separates us from the younguns, we realize just how much we don't know. I'm sending those roped rainbow flies to you. See what you think. Shoud make great steelhead patterns.
Byard has the rope-dub site up now. DonO ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Haering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > I need some rainbow dubbing for steelhead swap flys & this was all I could > find. I used Joyce's recipe for rainbow dubbing as a base and added this > stuff and the results are awesome to say the least. Thanks for the help > there Don. I am still amazed at how little I know & I have been tying for > 34 or 35 years! I started young caught my first 20" brown on a fly before I > was 10 years old! > > Bob H > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:57 PM > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > > > I wanted to do the pure stuff before mixing, just to prove that it could > be > > done. 8^) > > Mixing this stuff is going to make for all kinds of possibilities. > > DonO > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob Haering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > > > > > > That is why I thought of you Don :) I mixed it with some clear antron & > > > that blend works very well. > > > > > > Bob H > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 3:36 PM > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > > > > > > > > > Bob, > > > > If you want to drive people insane, give them this stuff to rope! > The > > > key > > > > is getting the fibers linear and overlapping. Once you do that, you > can > > > > rope the fly hairy, fuzzy, or clean. I'll send some photos. > > > > DonO > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Bob Haering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 1:12 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > > > > > > > > > > > > So DonO you going to tell me how to do it? I did warn you that it > was > > > > some > > > > > nasty stuff! > > > > > > > > > > Bob H > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Don Ordes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 12:48 PM > > > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been able to rope everything so far, even that God-awful > stuff > > > Bob > > > > > sent > > > > > > me. > > > > > > Learning the fundamentals is easy with those you mentioned, then > > > > graduate > > > > > to > > > > > > naturals and tuff stuffs. > > > > > > DonO > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Bud Cragar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 8:48 AM > > > > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been rope dubbing with ice dub. What are the requirements > for > > a > > > > dub > > > > > > > that will work with your method? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I assume that the dubbing materials must have long fibers. I see > > > that > > > > > you > > > > > > > use squirrel brite and SLF. Any others? I've never used either > of > > > > these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bud > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: Don Ordes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 9:46 AM > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rene, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you usually rib counter to the body wrap, you were probably > > > > looking > > > > > > for > > > > > > > > durability in that the rib was stronger then the body material > > and > > > > > kept > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > cut material ends from unwrapping. When rope-dubbing, > > especially > > > on > > > > a > > > > > > > wire > > > > > > > > core, this is not a great threat. > > > > > > > > So if you want to gold rib a Gold-ribbed Hare's Ear, then just > > rib > > > > > with > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > direction of the segments, and between the segments. If > ribbing > > > > with > > > > > > > > tinsel, the segments will help protect the ribbing from being > > cut > > > by > > > > a > > > > > > > > tooth. Just tie your ribbing on when you tie your dubbing tip > to > > > the > > > > > > hook. > > > > > > > > The end result is still true to pattern, and tough. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ribbing with wire ( or clear mono) can also give you a few > > > > variations > > > > > if > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > tie in other materials at the bend. If you tie on a > shell-back, > > > you > > > > > can > > > > > > > > pull it forwards over the tail and rib over it for a shiny > > ribbed > > > > > > stonefly > > > > > > > > look theat still sports the fuzzy belly. Or tie a piece of > > white > > > > > floss > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > and make a white central line up the fly tail, and ribbing it > in > > > > > place. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try roping both a black and an orange rope tied in at the > back. > > > Do > > > > a > > > > > > > > cross-weave with the black on back. You'll get a fuzzy > > segmented > > > > > > > > over-'n-under stonefly body like a bitch creek. Many > > > possibilities > > > > > here > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just a few ideas humbly submitted for your approval. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DonO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > > From: Rene Zillmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > Sent: Friday, December 28, 2001 10:38 AM > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [VFB] Don O's Rope Dubbing Techniques > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don, dd and others, > > > > > > > > > this discussion was very informative for me. Thanks again. > > > > > > > > > I rope-dubbed some flies with it and came to one issue. If I > > > rope > > > > > the > > > > > > > dub > > > > > > > > > very tight I run in problems with the ribbing material. I > > > usually > > > > > rib > > > > > > > > > counterclockwise (opposite to the tying direction). As the > rib > > > > > cannot > > > > > > go > > > > > > > > > into the dub it slips. Recommendations? Or simply: No > rope-dub > > > if > > > > > > > > ribbing.. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Rene/Germany > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
