Bob,

"Funny though isn't that Lefty Kern believes that the limper the leader the
better the turnover.  "

The hole casting motion is about energy in your cast. The kinetic energy of
the line converts to a 'bent-energy' at the end of the motion etc.

If you have a stiff leader you lose enrgy while the mono is bend (It cannot
return the energy like a rod). If you have a limp leader you will lose less
energy at this point of the motion and the leader has a better turnover.

Rene/Germany


-----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Haering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Datum: Samstag, 19. Januar 2002 21:53
Betreff: Re: [VFB] The battle lines are drawn (was: furled leaders)


>Funny though isn't that Lefty Kern believes that the limper the leader the
>better the turnover.  Just fuel for the fire so to speak.  I cast alot of
>very large flys, even though it is all freshwater fishing.  The length of
>these flys can easily be 8" or more with a spun deer hair head.  For the
>record I have landed salmon pushing 35 pounds and steelhead close to 20 and
>one musky of 27 pounds, plus carp in the 20's.  So let the debate begin
>which do you think is better, Tapered mono, Furled or braided?
>
>Bob H
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Hans Weilenmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2002 3:32 PM
>Subject: [VFB] The battle lines are drawn (was: furled leaders)
>
>
>> On 19 Jan 2002 at 15:41, Paul Marriner wrote:
>>
>> > Took me too long to get around to this but I must disagree with my
>> > Swiss friend.
>>
>> LOL - you know very well I enjoy a solid disagreement between
>> friends, if conducted in a civil fashion and with intelligent
>> arguments. Especially if there is a shared fishing experience at the
>> conclusion of it ;-)
>>
>> > Having tried heavier furled leaders on large flies, my
>> > conclusion is that they don't do as well as tapered mono leaders.
>>
>> Just to set the context: What material were these leaders made of?
>> Taper? Length?
>>
>> Tackle? Tippet size and length? Type and size of flies?
>>
>>  > They
>> > are certainly strong enough (I landed two salmon over 12 pounds on one
>> > of Jim Cramer's beefed up leaders using wet flies), but they don't
>> > turn over well when tipped with big flies like bass bugs or salmon
>> > dries. More to the point however is that there is no purpose in using
>> > them for big flies. The advantage of furled leaders, at least for me,
>> > is that they turn over well but also fall in drag-reducing curves
>> > without much extra effort on the part of the angler. Also, unlike
>> > braided-nylon leaders, they don't throw off a pile of spray. For large
>> > flies one wants a leader stiff enough to promote positive turnover,
>> > the antithesis of a furled leader. In any event, that's my take,
>>
>> To head off part of the discussion (or speed it up, whichever you
>> prefer): I believe the strength in furled leaders lies in surface or
>> slightly sub-surface fishing. For deeper fished flies I prefer mono.
>>
>> One likely difference of opinion to tackle is this 'nonsense'<G>
>> about a stiff leader being required to turn over a large fly.
>> Fiddlesticks, Paul, fiddlesticks! ;-)
>>
>> I put it to you to produce the arguments that stiffness in a leader
>> promotes turnover. Go for it ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Hans
>> glint in eye
>>
>>
>

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